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Empty Purnata
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December 7, 2005 at 10:02 AM
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Michael
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December 7, 2005 at 10:05 AM
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"Well Nmaginate, Empty Purnata, and others,
........who spend endless hours discussing the merits of racism.
That is the essence of it. An individual has the right to be racist or otherwise. An individual, a group of individuals, or a company have the legal right to destroy themselves or their property if this is their interest, just as long as such destruction does not lead to the destruction of someone elses domain. Any individual, group of individuals, a company or otherwise, have the right to be a damn fool if this is their goal, just as long as their foolish actions do not result in unwarranted and illegal damage to another party's property, personal effects, bodily injury, and/or defamation of character. Unless you are illegally violated, or witness the party or parties violating the property rights of another, be it him, her, an institution of government or any business entity, where you have sustained damages, or the party being witnessed sustained damages, there is not a thing you can legally do about anyone, or any entity, that is driven by ignorance, praises idiots, promotes racism, is a congregation of fools, promotes homosexuality, applies graffiti to themselves, etc.
Be it an individual, a group of individuals, or a company, unless you can prove you have been unwarrantedly, and illegally violated, for damages to which you truly sustained losses, by the illegal actions of another, for whatever reason, you have no legal recourse. Be it the use of contract law, tort practice, Constitutional Law, or otherwise, a means of redress truly exists, provided you have the competent representation to achieve the results.
After being sued enough times for his, her, or its assets, as a result of the illegal wrongful actions of a racist, negligent, or otherwise employee, a group of employees, any business manager, any division head, the company itself, etc., will take the steps to rid themselves of individuals, make reforms in the company itself, as a result of the loss of assets, assets that could have been used to promote the business, as opposed to assets being parted with to pay off a large court judgment.
Again jefftec.....
......Nmaginate, Empty Purnata, etc., etc., present nothing but lipservice.
If I were you, jefftec, I would not continue this discussion any further." Michael Lofton
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"With regards to catching up with any class. There is absolutely nothing about your class that I would be interested in.
It is definitely a waste of my time to speak on racial inequality, or any racism issue." by Michael Lofton********************************* .....and even if I were penniless, I'm already a winner because I refuse to listen to losers, and/or the ideology of losers...
....this being said.....************************ This may sound really insensitive, but FUCK EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM. Fuck every racist crackka that voted for W because they wanted to be anti-Black and voted for him because they knew he would be a typical anti-Civil Rights, Ronald Raygun-type president. I don't feel an ounce of sympathy for them, only contempt. Them and the Religious Right have fucked this country over for the next 40 years. Fuck all those fucking pieces of shit." by Empty Purnata ************************ ....well if not, you should be ashamed of yourself, and the more you defend such activity, the more you embarrass yourself, and not the readers. "But please, enlighten me and tell me what George Bush has done for the Black community in comparison and tell us why him or the GOP deserves our loyalty.****************** "This may sound really insensitive, but FUCK EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM. Fuck every racist crackka that voted for W because they wanted to be anti-Black and voted for him because they knew he would be a typical anti-Civil Rights, Ronald Raygun-type president. I don't feel an ounce of sympathy for them, only contempt. Them and the Religious Right have fucked this country over for the next 40 years. Fuck all those fucking pieces of shit." by Empty Purnata ***************************** It is certain that Empty Pernata, Kevin41, etc., are not the voice of the entire Black community. President George Bush is also praised by many individuals in the Black community for the work being done to expand private business development, lower or less taxation of the working class, less government influence over citizens, and/or home ownership in the Black community.******************* ....and Internet Technology sure beats the "Hell" out of the old "Snail Mail" method of spreading information!Sincerely, Michael Lofton
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Empty Purnata
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December 7, 2005 at 10:20 AM
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"It is definitely a waste of my time to speak on racial inequality, or any racism issue." -Michael Lofton
It is my intention for everyone to know that I do not stand by this kind of self-loathing mentality.
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Michael
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December 7, 2005 at 10:26 AM
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It is my intention for everyone to know that I do not stand by this kind of self-loathing mentality." by Empty Purnata, and not Michael Lofton "Well Nmaginate, Empty Purnata, and others,
........who spend endless hours discussing the merits of racism.
That is the essence of it. An individual has the right to be racist or otherwise. An individual, a group of individuals, or a company have the legal right to destroy themselves or their property if this is their interest, just as long as such destruction does not lead to the destruction of someone elses domain. Any individual, group of individuals, a company or otherwise, have the right to be a damn fool if this is their goal, just as long as their foolish actions do not result in unwarranted and illegal damage to another party's property, personal effects, bodily injury, and/or defamation of character. Unless you are illegally violated, or witness the party or parties violating the property rights of another, be it him, her, an institution of government or any business entity, where you have sustained damages, or the party being witnessed sustained damages, there is not a thing you can legally do about anyone, or any entity, that is driven by ignorance, praises idiots, promotes racism, is a congregation of fools, promotes homosexuality, applies graffiti to themselves, etc.
Be it an individual, a group of individuals, or a company, unless you can prove you have been unwarrantedly, and illegally violated, for damages to which you truly sustained losses, by the illegal actions of another, for whatever reason, you have no legal recourse. Be it the use of contract law, tort practice, Constitutional Law, or otherwise, a means of redress truly exists, provided you have the competent representation to achieve the results.
After being sued enough times for his, her, or its assets, as a result of the illegal wrongful actions of a racist, negligent, or otherwise employee, a group of employees, any business manager, any division head, the company itself, etc., will take the steps to rid themselves of individuals, make reforms in the company itself, as a result of the loss of assets, assets that could have been used to promote the business, as opposed to assets being parted with to pay off a large court judgment.
Again jefftec.....
......Nmaginate, Empty Purnata, etc., etc., present nothing but lipservice.
If I were you, jefftec, I would not continue this discussion any further." Michael Lofton ****************** .....and even if I were penniless, I'm already a winner because I refuse to listen to losers, and/or the ideology of losers...
....this being said.....************************ "This may sound really insensitive, but FUCK EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM. Fuck every racist crackka that voted for W because they wanted to be anti-Black and voted for him because they knew he would be a typical anti-Civil Rights, Ronald Raygun-type president.I don't feel an ounce of sympathy for them, only contempt. Them and the Religious Right have fucked this country over for the next 40 years. Fuck all those fucking pieces of shit." by Empty Purnata************************ ....well if not, you should be ashamed of yourself, and the more you defend such activity, the more you embarrass yourself, and not the readers. "But please, enlighten me and tell me what George Bush has done for the Black community in comparison and tell us why him or the GOP deserves our loyalty.****************** "This may sound really insensitive, but FUCK EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM. Fuck every racist crackka that voted for W because they wanted to be anti-Black and voted for him because they knew he would be a typical anti-Civil Rights, Ronald Raygun-type president. I don't feel an ounce of sympathy for them, only contempt. Them and the Religious Right have fucked this country over for the next 40 years. Fuck all those fucking pieces of shit." by Empty Purnata ***************************** It is certain that Empty Pernata, Kevin41, etc., are not the voice of the entire Black community. President George Bush is also praised by many individuals in the Black community for the work being done to expand private business development, lower or less taxation of the working class, less government influence over citizens, and/or home ownership in the Black community.******************* ....and Internet Technology sure beats the "Hell" out of the old "Snail Mail" method of spreading information!Sincerely, Michael Lofton
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Empty Purnata
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December 7, 2005 at 1:47 PM
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quote: That is the essence of it. An individual has the right to be racist or otherwise. An individual, a group of individuals, or a company have the legal right to destroy themselves or their property if this is their interest, just as long as such destruction does not lead to the destruction of someone elses domain. Any individual, group of individuals, a company or otherwise, have the right to be a damn fool if this is their goal, just as long as their foolish actions do not result in unwarranted and illegal damage to another party's property, personal effects, bodily injury, and/or defamation of character. Unless you are illegally violated, or witness the party or parties violating the property rights of another, be it him, her, an institution of government or any business entity, where you have sustained damages, or the party being witnessed sustained damages, there is not a thing you can legally do about anyone, or any entity, that is driven by ignorance, praises idiots, promotes racism, is a congregation of fools, promotes homosexuality, applies graffiti to themselves, etc.
You hear that everyone? Michael believes that businesses have the right to discriminate against people. He also believes it possible for business to racially discriminate without harming anyone. That lets you know right there how much Lofton cares for Black Community. These are the types of Blacks in our Community who we should refuse to listen to. They only drag us down and want to drag us back to pre-1960's social levels for African-America.
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Michael
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December 7, 2005 at 2:15 PM
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"That is the essence of it. An individual has the right to be racist or otherwise. An individual, a group of individuals, or a company have the legal right to destroy themselves or their property if this is their interest, just as long as such destruction does not lead to the destruction of someone elses domain. Any individual, group of individuals, a company or otherwise, have the right to be a damn fool if this is their goal, just as long as their foolish actions do not result in unwarranted and illegal damage to another party's property, personal effects, bodily injury, and/or defamation of character. Unless you are illegally violated, or witness the party or parties violating the property rights of another, be it him, her, an institution of government or any business entity, where you have sustained damages, or the party being witnessed sustained damages, there is not a thing you can legally do about anyone, or any entity, that is driven by ignorance, praises idiots, promotes racism, is a congregation of fools, promotes homosexuality, applies graffiti to themselves, etc." by Michael Lofton *********************************** "You hear that everyone? Michael believes that businesses have the right to discriminate against people. He also believes it possible for business to racially discriminate without harming anyone." by Empty Purnata and not Michael Lofton "These are the types of Blacks in our Community who we should refuse to listen to. They only drag us down and want to drag us back to pre-1960's social levels for African-America." by Empty Purnata ***************************** ....again anyone has the right to harbor any thought, or set of thoughts. People who violate the rights of others, be it through racism, negligence, or otherwise eventually drag themselves through the mud. In many instances, you cannot change the way people think and/or what they think of you. Should such thoughts manifest themselves in violence, property damage, defamation of character, etc., then and only then, will those individuals, etc., etc., who have been victimized by such activity have the necessary ammunition to place such an individual, set of conspiring individuals, and/or an organization in check. Should you doubt this just ask Tookie Williams, who would not be in prison today had he not taken his negative thoughts of others to the extreme, the extreme of killing four innocent individuals. Just here recently Los Angeles County Hispanic Jail inmates killed a Caucasian inmate out of racism for Caucasians. These Hispanic LA County Jail inmates now face additional murder indictment charges and the County of Los Angeles now faces yet one more multi-million dollar claim for damages for not protecting an inmate from the criminal actions of other inmates. These individuals are not on trial for holding or having racist thoughts, but rather they are on trial for cold blooded murder of a prison inmate. Heck, there are Blacks, Caucasians, Hispanics, and/or others from all walks of life, to whom I dislike, and/or choose not to associate with. Unless my thoughts manifest themselves in an act of violence, property damage, etc., etc., I could harbor any such thought until my death without any repercussion. ******************************* ...an Empty Purnata allowed his thoughts to go beyond just thinking about it, to manifest themselves in bold print. That is his choice, no matter how wrong, or unwarranted the statement may be. This does not mean that an Empty Purnata has the right to impose his will on the rights of others, who vehemently disagree, me being one of many individuals who make it plain, that I do not agree with Empty Purnata, at all. "This may sound really insensitive, but FUCK EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM. Fuck every racist crackka that voted for W because they wanted to be anti-Black and voted for him because they knew he would be a typical anti-Civil Rights, Ronald Raygun-type president. I don't feel an ounce of sympathy for them, only contempt. Them and the Religious Right have fucked this country over for the next 40 years. Fuck all those fucking pieces of shit." by Empty Purnata ***************************** It is certain that Empty Pernata, Kevin41, etc., are not the voice of the entire Black community. President George Bush is also praised by many individuals in the Black community for the work being done to expand private business development, lower or less taxation of the working class, less government influence over citizens, and/or home ownership in the Black community.******************* ....and Internet Technology sure beats the "Hell" out of the old "Snail Mail" method of spreading information!Sincerely, Michael Lofton
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Kweli4Real
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December 7, 2005 at 2:27 PM
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quote: Originally posted by Empty Purnata: quote: That is the essence of it. An individual has the right to be racist or otherwise. An individual, a group of individuals, or a company have the legal right to destroy themselves or their property if this is their interest, just as long as such destruction does not lead to the destruction of someone elses domain. Any individual, group of individuals, a company or otherwise, have the right to be a damn fool if this is their goal, just as long as their foolish actions do not result in unwarranted and illegal damage to another party's property, personal effects, bodily injury, and/or defamation of character. Unless you are illegally violated, or witness the party or parties violating the property rights of another, be it him, her, an institution of government or any business entity, where you have sustained damages, or the party being witnessed sustained damages, there is not a thing you can legally do about anyone, or any entity, that is driven by ignorance, praises idiots, promotes racism, is a congregation of fools, promotes homosexuality, applies graffiti to themselves, etc.
You hear that everyone? Michael believes that businesses have the right to discriminate against people. He also believes it possible for business to racially discriminate without harming anyone. That lets you know right there how much Lofton cares for Black Community. These are the types of Blacks in our Community who we should refuse to listen to. They only drag us down and want to drag us back to pre-1960's social levels for African-America.
Ummm, E.P., I'm with you, man. But in all fairness, and with great pain, that's not what Lofton said. I know that he is so far off base, so often that it is easy to read into a current piece, some asinine previous comment; but, he did not say he believes that businesses have the right to discriminate against people or that it possible for business to racially discriminate without harming anyone. He said that quote: An individual has the right to be racist or otherwise. An individual, a group of individuals, or a company have the legal right to destroy themselves or their property if this is their interest, just as long as such destruction does not lead to the destruction of someone elses domain.
And it further pains me to say that I agree with him ... Everyone has a right to whatever thoughts they may have, no matter how nuts, as long as the thoughts don't become acts that negatively impact others. [Ouch ... That hurt]
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Michael
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December 7, 2005 at 2:38 PM
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No Pain, No Gain....... I make no bones about exercising my right to discriminate, and when exercised in some instances it may just save your life!...an Empty Purnata allowed his thoughts to go beyond just thinking about it, to manifest themselves in bold print. That is his choice, no matter how wrong, or unwarranted the statement may be. This does not mean that an Empty Purnata has the right to impose his will on the rights of others, who vehemently disagree, me being one of many individuals who make it plain, that I do not agree with Empty Purnata, at all. "This may sound really insensitive, but FUCK EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM. Fuck every racist crackka that voted for W because they wanted to be anti-Black and voted for him because they knew he would be a typical anti-Civil Rights, Ronald Raygun-type president. I don't feel an ounce of sympathy for them, only contempt. Them and the Religious Right have fucked this country over for the next 40 years. Fuck all those fucking pieces of shit." by Empty Purnata ***************************** It is certain that Empty Pernata, Kevin41, etc., are not the voice of the entire Black community. President George Bush is also praised by many individuals in the Black community for the work being done to expand private business development, lower or less taxation of the working class, less government influence over citizens, and/or home ownership in the Black community.******************* ....and Internet Technology sure beats the "Hell" out of the old "Snail Mail" method of spreading information!Sincerely, Michael Lofton
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Kweli4Real
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December 7, 2005 at 2:46 PM
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quote: No Pain, No Gain.......
I make no bones about exercising my right to discriminate, and when exercised in some instances it may just save your life!
...an Empty Purnata allowed his thoughts to go beyond just thinking about it, to manifest themselves in bold print. That is his choice, no matter how wrong, or unwarranted the statement may be. This does not mean that an Empty Purnata has the right to impose his will on the rights of others, who vehemently disagree, me being one of many individuals who make it plain, that I do not agree with Empty Purnata, at all.
Yeah, but admit it. It's just us here. You do say some crazy-a$$, silly, self-hating sh!t, Huh? 
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Michael
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December 7, 2005 at 2:52 PM
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quote: Originally posted by Kweli4Real: quote: No Pain, No Gain.......
I make no bones about exercising my right to discriminate, and when exercised in some instances it may just save your life!
...an Empty Purnata allowed his thoughts to go beyond just thinking about it, to manifest themselves in bold print. That is his choice, no matter how wrong, or unwarranted the statement may be. This does not mean that an Empty Purnata has the right to impose his will on the rights of others, who vehemently disagree, me being one of many individuals who make it plain, that I do not agree with Empty Purnata, at all.
Yeah, but admit it. It's just us here. You do say some crazy-a$$, silly, self-hating sh!t, Huh?
...Well Kweli4Real, you of all people, should know that I'm not about to admit to anything that is not just erroneous, but light years away from being true....
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Kweli4Real
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December 7, 2005 at 3:02 PM
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quote: Originally posted by Michael: quote: Originally posted by Kweli4Real: quote: No Pain, No Gain.......
I make no bones about exercising my right to discriminate, and when exercised in some instances it may just save your life!
...an Empty Purnata allowed his thoughts to go beyond just thinking about it, to manifest themselves in bold print. That is his choice, no matter how wrong, or unwarranted the statement may be. This does not mean that an Empty Purnata has the right to impose his will on the rights of others, who vehemently disagree, me being one of many individuals who make it plain, that I do not agree with Empty Purnata, at all.
Yeah, but admit it. It's just us here. You do say some crazy-a$$, silly, self-hating sh!t, Huh?
...Well Kweli4Real, you of all people, should know that I'm not about to admit to anything that is not just erroneous, but light years away from being true....
Come on now ... Tell the truth, shame the devil. I won't tell nobody ... That bit about affirmative action ... you know ... not being a part of your success ... and that stuff about Merv ... and that stuff about Bush being great, and all; that's some silly sh!t. Right?
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Michael
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December 7, 2005 at 3:10 PM
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"Come on now ... Tell the truth, shame the devil. I won't tell nobody ... That bit about affirmative action ... you know ... not being a part of your success ... and that stuff about Merv ... and that stuff about Bush being great, and all; that's some silly sh!t. Right?" ....nah, I never benefited from AA, so why should I say anything to the contrary. Unlike the dissenters I can think of nothing but praise for President George Bush, the Bush Administration, the U.S. Armed Forces, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice, etc., etc., ....... It is certain that Empty Pernata, Kevin41, Kweli4Real etc., are not the voice of the entire Black community. President George Bush is also praised by many individuals in the Black community for the work being done to expand private business development, lower or less taxation of the working class, less government influence over citizens, and/or home ownership in the Black community.******************* ....and Apparantly there are those who believe, and Internet Technology sure beats the "Hell" out of the old "Snail Mail" method of circulating information!Sincerely, Michael Lofton
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Empty Purnata
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December 7, 2005 at 8:26 PM
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quote: Originally posted by Kweli4Real: quote: Originally posted by Michael: quote: Originally posted by Kweli4Real: quote: No Pain, No Gain.......
I make no bones about exercising my right to discriminate, and when exercised in some instances it may just save your life!
...an Empty Purnata allowed his thoughts to go beyond just thinking about it, to manifest themselves in bold print. That is his choice, no matter how wrong, or unwarranted the statement may be. This does not mean that an Empty Purnata has the right to impose his will on the rights of others, who vehemently disagree, me being one of many individuals who make it plain, that I do not agree with Empty Purnata, at all.
Yeah, but admit it. It's just us here. You do say some crazy-a$$, silly, self-hating sh!t, Huh?
...Well Kweli4Real, you of all people, should know that I'm not about to admit to anything that is not just erroneous, but light years away from being true....
Come on now ... Tell the truth, shame the devil. I won't tell nobody ... That bit about affirmative action ... you know ... not being a part of your success ... and that stuff about Merv ... and that stuff about Bush being great, and all; that's some silly sh!t. Right?
What I hate about Michael Lofton is that he characterizes anyone Black who doesn't believe in Conservative ideology as being either gangsters or welfare leeches. He seems to be saying that if you don't share his ideology, then you are a stain on society. What he doesn't get is that poor Black Conservatives live on welfare just like poor Black "Liberals".
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Michael
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December 7, 2005 at 9:22 PM
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"What I hate about Michael Lofton is that he characterizes anyone Black who doesn't believe in Conservative ideology as being either gangsters or welfare leeches. He seems to be saying that if you don't share his ideology, then you are a stain on society. What he doesn't get is that poor Black Conservatives live on welfare just like poor Black "Liberals". What I hate about Michael Lofton is that he characterizes anyone Black who doesn't believe in Conservative ideology as being either gangsters or welfare leeches. He seems to be saying that if you don't share his ideology, then you are a stain on society. What he doesn't get is that poor Black Conservatives live on welfare just like poor Black "Liberals"." by Empty Purnata ......more erroneous, and inflammatory garbage. The only individuals mentioned are those who fit the description. Now if you fit the description and it is you, then you should be able to draw your own conclusion.It is certain that Empty Pernata, Kevin41, Kweli4Real etc., are not the voice of the entire Black community. President George Bush is also praised by many individuals in the Black community for the work being done to expand private business development, lower or less taxation of the working class, less government influence over citizens, and/or home ownership in the Black community.******************* ....and Apparantly there are those who believe, and Internet Technology sure beats the "Hell" out of the old "Snail Mail" method of circulating information!Sincerely, Michael Lofton
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Kevin41
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December 8, 2005 at 3:15 PM
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quote: President George Bush is also praised by many individuals in the Black community for the work being done to expand private business development, lower or less taxation of the working class, less government influence over citizens, and/or home ownership in the Black community.
**oh yeah....black approval rating for bush is a whopping.....2%......that is many allright.....oh man i'm cracking up in here.....that schit was hilarious..... 
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Michael
A1 · 1574 Forum Posts
December 8, 2005 at 7:24 PM
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quote: Originally posted by Kevin41: quote: President George Bush is also praised by many individuals in the Black community for the work being done to expand private business development, lower or less taxation of the working class, less government influence over citizens, and/or home ownership in the Black community.
**oh yeah....black approval rating for bush is a whopping.....2%......that is many allright.....oh man i'm cracking up in here.....that schit was hilarious.....
.....Yep and the Black community is cracking up behind following foolishness, praising misfits, honoring sleaze, etc.....and the percentage of Black people who approve of Bush, and conservative ideology is on the rise."Hayes said he wanted to reach out to the Republican women "” and similar groups "” because they have the financial means and political clout to support and lend legitimacy to his efforts, some of which have been shunned by mainstream African American leaders, who very often are Democrats." by Ted Hayes..including the homeless, they too have lost respect for the Democratic Party, our own inept leadership, fake community activists, etc., etc.
Ted Hayes has good reason for shunning or shutting up the Democratic Party. Ted Hayes knows like I know, the Democratic Party, specifically through our own elected Black leaders are disgraceful, treasonous, and unfit for the position of elected representative....indeed there are others who have no respect for the Democrats, and rightfully so.....
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Kevin41
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December 9, 2005 at 1:55 PM
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30% among whites....which is still low as fuck.....Clinton enjoyed 75% approval ratings AFTER lying about getting his weenie sucked...which did not threaten national security, piss off terrorists, encourage corporate scandals, start false wars, run up a deficit or raise uneployment....and for the fact a fool can decry clinton and praise this chump....proves that many americans are still.......clueless..........
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Michael
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December 9, 2005 at 8:32 PM
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quote: Originally posted by Kevin41: 30% among whites....which is still low as fuck.....Clinton enjoyed 75% approval ratings AFTER lying about getting his weenie sucked...which did not threaten national security, piss off terrorists, encourage corporate scandals, start false wars, run up a deficit or raise uneployment....and for the fact a fool can decry clinton and praise this chump....proves that many americans are still....... clueless..........
...Well Kevin41, etc.., will never rise from the bottom of the dump by disputing factual information with foolishness, nonsense, absurdities, falsehoods, biggoted beliefs, etc., etc.....more likely those who praise, follow, and worship the many misfits who truly exist within the Black community are truely clueless, backwards, perverted, gullible, etc......Times are a changing though, because there are many more who are not buying into the sleaze, the foolishness, the game playing, that is commonly attributed to the Democratic Party, and/or our own no good Democratic Congressional Black Caucus.
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Empty Purnata
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December 9, 2005 at 9:43 PM
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Funny how Michael thinks that accpetance of sleaze and crime only occurs in the Black community.
Funny how he hates Merv Dymally, but lets crooks like Dick Cheney and Karl Rove off the hook. It's amazing how he doesn't accuse the White community of being responsible for them.......
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Michael
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December 9, 2005 at 9:52 PM
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"Funny how Michael thinks that acceptance of sleaze and crime only occurs in the Black community. Funny how he hates Merv Dymally, but lets crooks like Dick Cheney and Karl Rove off the hook. It's amazing how he doesn't accuse the White community of being responsible for them......." by Empty Purnata and not Michael Lofton ....and I suppose Dick Cheney and Karl Rove are both responsible for keeping the Black community in poverty, sending healthy individuals to their grave, etc.
....now that tops all the foolishness, and lying to themselves, beyond anything ever presented by the race card players, the Bush bashers, etc., etc. However every other community but the Black community is prospering. Mind you university educated dysfunctional fools who hold elected office in the Black community are making it possible for anyone else but the Black community to acquire wealth. Kind of shoots cannon size holes through any theory, or false accusation that it is Dick Cheney's, Bush's fault, etc., etc.
....mind you Michael Brown is from the party that claims to serve the little guy, the oppressed, the disadvantaged, meaning Michael Brown and company are members of the Democratic Black Caucus.
Must be a reason for this, and it must be that while every other community holds its leadership accountable know matter who holds elected office, an influentual position, and/or otherwise, when compared......
.......to any typical community predominated by .....be it Brentwood Burke, Merv Dymally, Burke, Diane Watson, Bernard Parks, Walter Tucker, Kerosene Waters, Omar Bradley, Pat Moore, Jesse Jackson, Danny Bakewell, the NAACP, PUSH, SCLC, the Congressional Democratic Black Caucus, Killer King Hospital, Marion Barry, and hundreds of others. Black people no one is held accountable! .....and no one is held accountable....
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Empty Purnata
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December 9, 2005 at 10:06 PM
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......and I suppose Merv Dymally and other Black leaders are responsible for the problems of White America?
About accountability, while you claim the Black Community does not hold Black leaders accountable, apparently neither does the White Community hold federal crooks and liars like Cheney and Rove accountable.
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Michael
A1 · 1574 Forum Posts
December 9, 2005 at 10:18 PM
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"......and I suppose Merv Dymally and other Black leaders are responsible for the problems of White America?" by Empty Purnata No good Brentwood Burke, Carpetbagging no good Bernard Parks, illegal immigrant no good serving foreign interests Merv Dymally and/or many other disgraceful Black leaders are indeed responsible for the dire conditions that exist in the Black community. By and large Caucasians are not facing the conditions of poverty, crime, and a blatantly inept leadership that exist in the Black community. Anyone who believes that any Caucasian community is in worst shape than the Black community has eyes but can't see, has ears but must be deaf, came into the world with senses but perhaps has lost all feeling, and/or can't be sane to even infer that the social-economic conditions of any predominately Black community is on par with any Caucasian, and/or other ethnic community. The largest homeless population in most every large city is composed of Black people. There are more Black men and women in prison than ever, and many of them are in prison, for lack of gainful employment opportunity. Can't place all the blame on Caucasians, for the fact that Black people have the highest unemployment rate of all the ethnic groups, while Maxine Kerosene Waters misappropriates and misuses taxpayer's dollars at the expense of the Black community to maintain gainful employment opportunity for herself, her immediate family, and/or close associates, while ignoring her Black constituency. The same and/or a similar scenario can be said for virtually the entire deceitful, game playing, sleazy, greedy, self-serving, inept no good Congressional Democratic Black Caucus. The Securities and Exchange Commission has been reformed to go after white collar criminals, without regard to faith, political affiliation, affluence, etc., meaning reforms have been made by Caucasians and/or others to address corruption. In comparison anything goes in the Black community. The more corrupt the individual, the longer the term of office, the greater the praise, and the lower the probability to place such an individual in check, because the only thing growing in the Black community is criminal activity and sleaze!
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Empty Purnata
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December 9, 2005 at 10:45 PM
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quote: Originally posted by Michael:
By and large Caucasians are not facing the conditions of poverty, crime, and blatantly inept leadership that exist in the Black community.
How do you figure this? Where is your proof? quote: Anyone who believes that any Caucasian community is in worst shape than the Black community has eyes but can't see, has ears but must be deaf, came into the world with senses but perhaps has lost all feeling, and/or can't be sane to even infer that the social-economic conditions of any predominately Black community is on par with any Caucasian, and/or other ethnic community.
Ghetto: an impovershed, backwards, underproductive dwelling mostly inhabited by Minorities Heartland: an impovershed, backwards, underproductive dwelling mostly inhabited by Whites So, a middle-class Black neighborhood is worse than a White trailer park or rural neighborhood? quote: The largest homeless population in most every large city is composed of Black people.
What about outside of the inner city? Whites are the largest users of Welfare. quote: There are more Black men and women in prison than ever, and many of them are in prison, for lack of gainful employment opportunity. Can't place all the blame on Caucasians, for the fact that Black people have the highest unemployment rate of all the ethnic groups, while Maxine Kerosene Waters misappropriates and misuses taxpayer's dollars at the expense of the Black community to maintain gainful employment opportunity for herself, her immediate family, and/or close associates, while ignoring her Black constituency. The same and/or similar scenario can be said for virtually the entire deceitful, game playing, sleazy, greedy, self-serving, inept no good Congressional Democratic Black Caucus.
Did you just use FreeRepubic? That's about as non-biased as me using Socialist Web.  quote: The Securities and Exchange Commission has been reformed to go after white collar criminals, without regard to faith, political affiliation, affluence, etc., meaning reforms have been made by Caucasians and/or others to address corruption.
And? quote: In comparison anything goes in the Black community.
Apparently so in the White community too. Torture is an American value, Blood for Oil is okay, fuck the 1st Amendment and Seperation of Church and State, impovershed, backwards, undereducated, underproductive Southern and Midwestern White areas are the "Heartland" (and have the highest crime and divorce rates), and White House corruption is fine to them. quote: The more corrupt the individual, the longer the term of office, the greater the praise, and the lower the probability to place such an individual in check, because the only thing growing in the Black community is criminal activity and sleaze!
Proof? (no, quoting an African-American.org article about the shady activities of a couple of Black leaders is not enough, I want government stats from reputable federal websites that our community is more accepting of sleaze). We aren't alone. We are no more sleazy than the White Community.
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Empty Purnata
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December 9, 2005 at 10:48 PM
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In other words Michael Lofton, post credible proof of your anti-Black rhetoric, or STFU. I'm sick of your unsubstantiated, self-hateful, anti-Black nonsense that I could just as easily read on the Vanguard Network or the Bradley Foundation.
I want some federal sources and studies done by reputable, scientifically-respected scholars.
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Michael
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December 9, 2005 at 10:52 PM
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Like I said.....you must be blind.
Take a trip through the hood, any hood. Black people have been responsible for destroying Compton, California, South Central Los Angeles, Baltimore, Detroit, Oakland, New Orleans, etc., etc.
The leadership in each of these communities has been predominately Black, the political party of dominance has been and continues to be the Democratic Party.
A mountain of evidence exists to prove this is true. Apparantly an Empty Purnata is not in tune with the reality of it, because virtually are these areas have been run by, and are being destroyed by Black people.
The key reasons that a Compton California, South Central Los Angeles, and/or other communities formerly predominated by Black are now prospering is because of the huge demographic shift from Black to Hispanic, from a former "high crime, penal incarceration for profit, breaking up families to promote the social welfare state, and/or inept elected leadership environment" to a thriving private business oriented, productive, constructive, lower crime rate, safer, and strengthening of family structure promoting community.
Sincerely,
Michael Lofton
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Empty Purnata
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December 9, 2005 at 11:04 PM
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quote: Originally posted by Michael:
Like I said.....you must be blind.
Take a trip through hood, any hood. Black people destroyed Compton, California, South Central Los Angeles, Baltimore, Detroit, Oakland, New Orleans, etc., etc.
Anecdote: the most useless form of "evidence". Yes, what about if you take a trip through any rural town or shantytown in White neighborhoods? What does any of this prove? quote: The leadership in each of these communities has been predominately Black, the political party of dominance has been and continues to be the Democratic Party.
Stats please. Name each of these places, and quote the history of politics in each of these places, and name all of the leaders over the past 75 years. Also, please quote what the average per capita income of these places is, and what the history of each place is in relation to the federal government. Maybe then I will put stock into your hearsay "facts". quote: A mountain of evidence exists to prove this is true. Apparantly an Empty Purnata is not in tune with the reality of it, because virtually are these areas have been run by, and are being destroyed by Black people.
Then by all means, quote it. I mean REAL sources, federal sites, approved economy sites and scientifically reputable sites. Not Free Republic, not Laura Ingraham, not Rush Limbaugh, not Newsmax, not World Net Daily, etc. I mean like the CIA Worldfactbook and federal department websites. quote: The key reasons that a Compton California, South Central Los Angeles, and/or other communities formerly predominated by Black are not prospering is because of the demographic shift from Black to Hispanic, from a former "welfare state" to a thriving private business oriented, and family promoting community.
Funny, private business is most prevalent in these places. Socialized Capitalism (capitalism with some socialist add-ons) produces the most successful areas in the United States, and in other countries (like Northern and Western Europe). Places with totally "free" private markets have piss-poor economies (like Singapore and Cambodia).
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Michael
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December 9, 2005 at 11:09 PM
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...a mountain of evidence exists......, lip service from an Empty Purnata is no match for truth, and this truth is very real. Just ask the people who live there, and this does not require any long drawn out federal statistical research project to prove it. Heck, the Federal Prosecuting Authorities and/or other policing authorities have been, and/or are pursuing these unethical, treasonous, and criminal individuals, since our own community has chosen to give criminals, the sleazy, the treasonous, the unethical, a free pass to prosperity. ....For those who don't know or who are not aware..... 1. former Congressman Walter Tucker was indicted and convicted for accepting bribes, and stealing from the taxpayers of the residents of Compton. 2. former assemblywoman Pat Moore was was indicted and convicted for accepting bribes, and stealing from the taxpayers of the residents of Compton. 3. former Mayor Omar Bradley was was indicted and convicted for accepting bribes, and stealing from the taxpayers of the residents of Compton. 4. The Compton Unified School District, and Compton College have been taken over by the State of California on more than one occasion because the employees were on the take, stealing virtually anything that is not welded down. Heck so much graft, embezzlement, cheating, sleeping on the job, reporting to work while under the influence of illicit drugs, etc., etc., that it made it exceeding difficult to provide a quality educational experience, finance the purchase of textbooks for students, learning aids, provide classroom computers, maintain classrooms, bathrooms, and other facilities. 5. Killer/King Hospital and Charles Drew Medical School is on the edge of Compton, may lose its' accredidation, or face being closed down, and may lose millions of dollars in federal subsidies as a result of all the incompetence, the stealing, the greed, the sleaze, on the part of should I mention who........
6. Game playing, using false pretences to hold elected office, Brentwood Yvonne B. Burke, no good serving foreign interests at the expense of Compton Merv Dymally, Maxine Kerosene Waters, carpetbagging caught with his pants down having lewd sex with a prostitute Assemblyman Kevin Murray, and/or other Black elected officials have known about, or contributed to this activity for decades, by remaining silent to protect personal friends, themselves, and/or to maintain the status quo.
...but Oh, well let us not be truthful. It is better to play the race card, and easier to blame Caucasians, Republicans, conservatives, to say these individuals are all at fault...... ....... even though the Democratic Party, through our own misfit Black elected leaders, and poverty pimps have been large and in charge in Compton, and South Central Los Angeles, since 1965. The employees found stealing include Black teachers, principals, other school administrators, secretaries, janitors, cafeteria workers, maintenance employees, and virtually every other classification working within Compton. Hispanics have also been found guilty of the same offenses, but the number of Hispanics caught stealing, cheating, lying, etc., from the City of Compton is not nearly as pronounced as the number Black people caught stealing from one of the most economically deprived corruption prone communities in the State of California. Mind you, many of these individuals on the take are university graduates who possess B.S., B.A., M.S., M.A., and even Doctorate Degrees. Sincerely, Michael Lofton
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Empty Purnata
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December 9, 2005 at 11:22 PM
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Lofton,
I'm not saying that Whites (BTW "Caucasian" is an incorrect term to use for White people, as "Caucasian" is scientifically a multi-racial category including Semites, Central Asians and some North Africans) are soley repsonsible for our problems. I'm just saying that they are not exactly uninvolved in it either. Whether or not you know it, the White Establishment (I'm not saying White people in general, I'm talking about the White elites that run American society, market and government) DOES NOT WANT the Black Community to be any better off.
Yes, the White Establishment is not responsible for all of our problems, but they are certainly not helping either. In fact, sometimes they aid in Black self-destruction.
No one is claiming that Black corruption does not exist, what we are asking is why do you fault all Black people in general for this, but not fault all White people in general for the many negative qualities of the White Establishment. You give the White Establishment a pass on things you railroad the Black Establishment on.
Also, you seem to be saying that because the Democratic leadership is corrupt (WHICH IT IS), that we should endorse the Republican leadership by default. What I want is a well-planned and rational reason WHY we should support the Republican platform, or Conservative ideals. We want to know what is more beneficial about conservative political and economic ideals that will benefit the Black Community better.
How in any way has the Republican Party stretched out a helping hand to the Black Community or Black leadership? George Bush electing some token Minorities in his Cabinet is not the same as him contributing money to Black colleges or giving subsidees to Black businesses.
Yes, there are corrupt Democrats, but there are also non-corrupt ones as well. But from what we have seen, there are virutally NO Republican leaders aiming to help the Black Community. Nor are Black Conservative leaders doing anything to help out. They simply sit and say the Democratic leadership is corrupt, then support the Republicans, and not give any reasons WHY.
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Michael
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December 9, 2005 at 11:29 PM
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...no matter how you lump it the Black community unlike the Caucasian community is killing its own existance. Thus to say, why not condemn Caucasian criminals too, has no relevency here. By and large the criminal activity of Caucasians is not the root cause of the death of the Black community. too which again..... ...a mountain of evidence exists......, lip service from an Empty Purnata is no match for truth, and this truth is very real. Just ask the people who live there, and this does not require any long drawn out federal statistical research project to prove it. Heck, the Federal Prosecuting Authorities and/or other policing authorities have been, and/or are pursuing these unethical, treasonous, and criminal individuals, since our own community has chosen to give criminals, the sleazy, the treasonous, the unethical, a free pass to prosperity. ....For those who don't know or who are not aware..... 1. former Congressman Walter Tucker was indicted and convicted for accepting bribes, and stealing from the taxpayers of the residents of Compton. 2. former assemblywoman Pat Moore was was indicted and convicted for accepting bribes, and stealing from the taxpayers of the residents of Compton. 3. former Mayor Omar Bradley was was indicted and convicted for accepting bribes, and stealing from the taxpayers of the residents of Compton. 4. The Compton Unified School District, and Compton College have been taken over by the State of California on more than one occasion because the employees were on the take, stealing virtually anything that is not welded down. Heck so much graft, embezzlement, cheating, sleeping on the job, reporting to work while under the influence of illicit drugs, etc., etc., that it made it exceeding difficult to provide a quality educational experience, finance the purchase of textbooks for students, learning aids, provide classroom computers, maintain classrooms, bathrooms, and other facilities. 5. Killer/King Hospital and Charles Drew Medical School is on the edge of Compton, may lose its' accredidation, or face being closed down, and may lose millions of dollars in federal subsidies as a result of all the incompetence, the stealing, the greed, the sleaze, on the part of should I mention who........
6. Game playing, using false pretences to hold elected office, Brentwood Yvonne B. Burke, no good serving foreign interests at the expense of Compton Merv Dymally, Maxine Kerosene Waters, carpetbagging caught with his pants down having lewd sex with a prostitute Assemblyman Kevin Murray, and/or other Black elected officials have known about, or contributed to this activity for decades, by remaining silent to protect personal friends, themselves, and/or to maintain the status quo.
...but Oh, well let us not be truthful. It is better to play the race card, and easier to blame Caucasians, Republicans, conservatives, to say these individuals are all at fault...... ....... even though the Democratic Party, through our own misfit Black elected leaders, and poverty pimps have been large and in charge in Compton, and South Central Los Angeles, since 1965. The employees found stealing include Black teachers, principals, other school administrators, secretaries, janitors, cafeteria workers, maintenance employees, and virtually every other classification working within Compton. Hispanics have also been found guilty of the same offenses, but the number of Hispanics caught stealing, cheating, lying, etc., from the City of Compton is not nearly as pronounced as the number Black people caught stealing from one of the most economically deprived corruption prone communities in the State of California. Mind you, many of these individuals on the take are university graduates who possess B.S., B.A., M.S., M.A., and even Doctorate Degrees. .....and this disgraceful activity was neither perpetrated by Caucasians, nor is it destroying any Caucasian community. I'm willing to bet all my assets though, that this activity is destroying the Black community, and the only interest that any Caucasian would have in placing this activity in check is to place a lid on it, to keep it from destroying any suburban Caucasian community. Sincerely, Michael Lofton
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Empty Purnata
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December 9, 2005 at 11:45 PM
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quote: Originally posted by Michael
...no matter how you lump it the Black community unlike the Caucasian community is killing its own existance. Thus to say, why not condemn Caucasian criminals too, has no relevency here. By and large the criminal activity of Caucasians is not the root cause of the death of the Black community.
And how is the White Community not kiling itself? They voted an ineffective leader in twice who only benefits rich, WASP male Americans. The White poor are worse off than they've ever been since the Great Depression, and the White middle-class isn't benefitting too much off of Bush & Co. either. They are also having all of their individual rights stripped away from them, and being lied to and distracted while they become worse off economically and democratically. Bush is not good for ANYONE except billionaires.
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Empty Purnata
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December 9, 2005 at 11:51 PM
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Like Kevin41 originally said a while back: quote: Originally posted by Kevin41:
yeah Lofton......black people wanted to be slaves too okay? If you can look past the vestiges of jim crow and the poverty that black folks were systematicallt regulated to...and the peverse discrimination that still exists in employment, housing and finacial lending....then you are just looking for excuses to rant and rave in a self-hating manner because of your experiences.....you always decry others and even disrespect the dead....but what have you done personally to change the things that you are so damn resentful about?
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Michael
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December 9, 2005 at 11:51 PM
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quote: Originally posted by Empty Purnata: quote: Originally posted by Michael
...no matter how you lump it the Black community unlike the Caucasian community is killing its own existance. Thus to say, why not condemn Caucasian criminals too, has no relevency here. By and large the criminal activity of Caucasians is not the root cause of the death of the Black community.
And how is the White Community not kiling itself? They voted an ineffective leader in twice who only benefits rich, WASP male Americans. The White poor are worse off than they've ever been since the Great Depression, and the White middle-class isn't benefitting too much off of Bush & Co. either. They are also having all of their individual rights stripped away from them, and being lied to and distracted while they become worse off economically and democratically. Bush is not good for ANYONE except billionaires.
.....Not true....., and there are many Black people who have more respect for Bush than the garbage, the falsehoods, that are being targeted daily by the liberals....
to say that "Bush is not good for ANYONE except billionaires" is yet another far fetched, unsubstantiated, and unwarranted claim!
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Empty Purnata
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December 9, 2005 at 11:56 PM
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Lofton,
Yes, I'm well aware that there are African-American individuals that like George W. Bush.
That doesn't prove that he has done anything for the Black Community, or that he has done anything to earn their respect. Leo Felton was a Biracial Klansman, does that mean that the Klan deserves the respect of the Biracial community?
You still have yet to tell me WHY you and other African-Americans like yourself like him. Or why you think he deserves our support, or what he has done for us. Yes, he has expanded "private" business (THAT ENJOYS HUUUUGE FEDERAL SUBSIDEES), but contrary to rhetoric, "private" business does not = "good" business. Small businesses are floundering and dying while large businesses are becoming monopolies and dominating American society in an oligarchal/dictatorial fashion.
He's also against Affrimative Action, and he believes that Civil Rights are a "privilege" and not a Constitutional right and a basic human right.
AGAIN, WHY DOES HIM OR HIS ADMINISTRATION DESERVE OUR SUPPORT, AND WHAT HAS HE DONE FOR US?
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Michael
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Well Empty Purnata,
Since you seem to be so fond of the Democrats, and their reign of authority over the Black community since 1965, it is you who has to answer your own question.
What has the Democratic Party done to move the Black community up from poverty, and into home ownership, free enterprise, less government influence, a reduced police state, a safer community, progress, etc., etc?
More likely special interest groups, self-serving Democratic politicians have been serving themselves, and not the Black community. This is why it is better to spread your risk, by bringing competition into the mix, so that no one party rules. Mind you the Democratic Party has ruled the Black community since the '60s and the Black community is in worse shape than ever, be it in terms of home ownership, deprivation of U.S. Constitutionally guaranteed citizenship protections, health concerns, family solidarity, politically, and/or otherwise.
....and I don't have to use the Free Republic to prove my point, because like many individuals who have actually lived in the "hood" with their eyes, ears, and alertness, I have been a witness to, or have close associates who have witnessed the sleaze of Reverend Jesse Jackson, Maxine Waters, Merv Dymally, Diane Watson, Brentwood Burke, Nate Holden, Dave Cunningham, Bernard Parks, Danny Bakewell, Herb Wesson, Reverend H.H. Brookins, etc., etc.
When you have been a witness to this activity, you don't need the support of the Free Republic to support your contentions. But be it the Free Republic or any other form of media, it is certain that Najee Ali witnessed the actions of Kerosene Maxine Waters, and that it would only be a matter of time before the truth comes to light, no matter who publishes it.
As if to say the Free Republic is the only media that has published this reality. The Los Angeles Times has reported it as well. The newspaper that you would think would have more of a duty to publish this type of information should be the Los Angeles Sentinel Newspaper, the so-called largest Black owned newspaper on the West Coast. Unfortunately our own journalists, choose to protect their friends in high places rather than publish the reality of it, meaning the Free Republic has been more of a friend to the Black community than our own so-called Black owned newspaper.
Would it matter as to where the truth originates, if the subject matter is in fact accurate. I should think not. The Los Angeles Sentinel is a "Yellow Journal" that chooses not to enlighten the Black community. Heck, the LA Sentinel is owned by one of the most notorious poverty pimps of Black Los Angeles, meaning no-good Brotherhood Crusade Head Danny Bakewell.
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December 10, 2005 at 12:09 AM
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quote: Also, you seem to be saying that because the Democratic leadership is corrupt (WHICH IT IS), that we should endorse the Republican leadership by default. What I want is a well-planned and rational reason WHY we should support the Republican platform, or Conservative ideals. We want to know what is more beneficial about conservative political and economic ideals that will benefit the Black Community better.
THE BLACK COMMUNITY is a mythical monolith that only exists as a political construct. By definition, whatever Democrats do for African Americans, they do for 'the black community'. Whatever Republicans do for African Americans, they do for 'rugged individuals'. The question of a choice of politics is simple. How do you wish for your concerns to be addressed? If you find that you are by and large individuated from the Democratic definition of 'the black community', then you'll tend to find Republican or Libertarian politics more attractive. What interests me is how it is that African Americans are changing their politics based on the progress that they are making within America. What do smart blackfolks in control of their destiny learn, and how do they organize politically? Speaking for myself as an old school conservative, I think that the progress I am most interested in is economic progress. It is the most difficult to achieve and the one that transcends all other sorts. It is further, the one the average racist whitefolks have tried the hardest to keep from average blackfolks. Economic liberation is the substantive aspect of all black political discussion vis a vis black life in America. That is primarily because it is the one sort of progress blacks cannot make without constructive engagement outside of the race. There are no black dollars to recycle worth speaking of, and 200 years of black, owned, operated and controlled churchification has not produced any economic progress. They haven't even produced educational progress on par with average whites in catholic churches. 'The black community' is not devolving. It is standing still and facing in no particular direction. It is what it is. So what. The question that I think ought to occupy the few engaged minds that would take the time to post hundreds of messages online, is how that set of people is organized to maintain their ambition and progress. It is self-evident to me that black conservatives are not standing in the way of anyone. Nor is the Bush Administration. They simply have divergent ambitions. There is no reason whatsoever that those who subscribe to the politics of racial collective bargaining should have anything to do with the Republican agenda. It will never work.
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Michael
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December 10, 2005 at 12:38 AM
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"It is self-evident to me that black conservatives are not standing in the way of anyone. Nor is the Bush Administration. They simply have divergent ambitions. There is no reason whatsoever that those who subscribe to the politics of racial collective bargaining should have anything to do with the Republican agenda. It will never work." by Cobb
In all fairness the very day that our community becomes more free enterprise oriented is the day that more and more Black people will promote conservative ideology, and/or the acquisition of assets, in all its forms, as supported by the Republican Party, as opposed to continuously relying on social welfare benefits, and/or other forms of government influence that limit real growth in the Black community, which so far is all that in being delivered to the Black community by the so-called party in favor of the working class, as applied to the Democratic Party.
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Empty Purnata
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December 10, 2005 at 5:12 PM
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Michael and Cobb, Alright, since both of you are making ASS-U-MPTIONS about me just because I am not a Black Rightist or a Black Conservative like yourselves, you assume that I automatically must LOVE the Democratic Party. Alright, let me make myself perfectly clear (as Richard Nixon once said ): 1) As a Black Leftist, I am not fond of either the RETHUGLICANS or the DEMOCRAPS. BOTH OF THEM ARE CORRUPT, CORPORATE PIECES OF SHIT THAT EXPLOIT THE BLACK COMMUNITY, IMHO. 2) I do however, at least appreciate the Democraps more because even though they are corrupt pieces of shit, unlike the Rethuglicans, they at least make an effort to support Black causes. 3) Because the Dummycraps are corrupt, why are you saying I should automatically support the Repiglicans? 4) PLEASE PROVIDE ME WITH A WELL-PLANNED AND WELL-THOUGHT OUT EXPLANATION OF WHY I SHOULD SUPPORT THE REPUBLICANS. WHAT PRECISELY HAVE THEY DONE FOR OUR COMMUNITY THAT I SHOULD GIVE THEM MY SUPPORT? You both seem to be just saying: "The Democrats suck! Vote Republican!!!" Why, pray tell? The Republicans should not automatically get my support by default just because the Democrats are not all that. I really don't support either, but I can at least respect the Democrats a little more. They at least reach out to the Black Community. It seems the Republicans aren't even doing that. Why should I support a party that is anti-Civil Rights?
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Nmaginate
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December 10, 2005 at 5:17 PM
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quote: The question of a choice of politics is simple. How do you wish for your concerns to be addressed? If you find that you are by and large individuated from the Democratic definition of 'the black community', then you'll tend to find Republican or Libertarian politics more attractive.
Pretty funny shit... But to be sure, INDIVIDUALISM is, properly, historically understood, basically RUGGED EUROPEANISM. So, thank you, COBB. Thank you for displaying your degree of Acculturation. It's clear you're the trumpet player in that Big Band. quote: 3) Because the Dummycraps are corrupt... I should automatically support the Repiglicans?
That's the best argument they can make. Every last one of them. We've see how even trying to formulate arguments for support Republicans and/or CONservatives on the merits of those ideas turns out. << HERE >>So, given how they (Mikey, Cobb and CON-Feed, etc.) know there is little or no merit to CONservative political angles (ideas), save for those so INDIVIDUALIZED, they intuitively know that their best bet is to resort to trying to make their politics look good by making the politics of their political opponents look bad. I've never understood how an ugly woman thought she had something to gain from talking about how ugly another woman is but it seems to make sense to our fair ladies here - Michael Lofton, CON-Feed and Cobb.
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Empty Purnata
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December 10, 2005 at 5:23 PM
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quote: Originally posted by Cobb:
THE BLACK COMMUNITY is a mythical monolith that only exists as a political construct. By definition, whatever Democrats do for African Americans, they do for 'the black community'. Whatever Republicans do for African Americans, they do for 'rugged individuals'.
AND COBB, JUST WHAT EXACTLY AT ALL HAS THE REPUBLICAN PARTY DONE FOR THE BLACK COMMUNITY? What do you mean by "rugged individuals"? I don't understand your conservo-speak here. quote: The question of a choice of politics is simple. How do you wish for your concerns to be addressed? If you find that you are by and large individuated from the Democratic definition of 'the black community', then you'll tend to find Republican or Libertarian politics more attractive.a
How so? Please list what the Republican and Libertarian plans are for the Black Commmunity, please. quote: What interests me is how it is that African Americans are changing their politics based on the progress that they are making within America. What do smart blackfolks in control of their destiny learn, and how do they organize politically?
Who are these people you are talking about? Why are you being so vague? quote: Speaking for myself as an old school conservative, I think that the progress I am most interested in is economic progress. It is the most difficult to achieve and the one that transcends all other sorts. It is further, the one the average racist whitefolks have tried the hardest to keep from average blackfolks.
Please, highlight what your plans for "progress" are, and give some logical, well-reasoned explanations for why you believe they will work. "Progress"? I thought the whole idea of being a Conservative is to maintain the status quo or return to the past?........ quote: Economic liberation is the substantive aspect of all black political discussion vis a vis black life in America. That is primarily because it is the one sort of progress blacks cannot make without constructive engagement outside of the race.
1) How did you come to that conclusion? 2) Exactly what do you mean by "engagement outside the race"? quote: There are no black dollars to recycle worth speaking of,
Meaning?..... quote: and 200 years of black, owned, operated and controlled churchification has not produced any economic progress. They haven't even produced educational progress on par with average whites in catholic churches.
So effectively, you are saying there are no Black businesses worth mentioning outside of church business?  Do you want me to give you a list of successful Black-owned businesses? quote: 'The black community' is not devolving. It is standing still and facing in no particular direction.
No shit. quote: It is what it is. So what. The question that I think ought to occupy the few engaged minds that would take the time to post hundreds of messages online, is how that set of people is organized to maintain their ambition and progress.
So tell my why do you believe that specifically Conservatives and Libertarians (both of whom are opposed to Civil Rights) will move us forward? quote: It is self-evident to me that black conservatives are not standing in the way of anyone.
They aren't helping either. quote: Nor is the Bush Administration.
EXCUSE ME? BEING AGAINST CIVIL RIGHTS AND SUBSIDIZING WHITE-OWNED BUSINESSES THAT OVERTAKE BLACK-OWNED BUSINESS IS NOT BEING AGAINST US? What planet do you live on? Do you want to me outline some of Bush's policies that are harmful to the Black Community? quote: They simply have divergent ambitions.
In other words, they have ambitions that will not aid us in anyway. Therefore, they are useless. quote: There is no reason whatsoever that those who subscribe to the politics of racial collective bargaining should have anything to do with the Republican agenda. It will never work.
What is "racial bargaining"? So pointing out racism where it exists and being against Institutionalized Racism is "race bargaining"? What world do you come from? And who's side are you on anyway?
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quote: Originally posted by Nmaginate: quote: The question of a choice of politics is simple. How do you wish for your concerns to be addressed? If you find that you are by and large individuated from the Democratic definition of 'the black community', then you'll tend to find Republican or Libertarian politics more attractive.
Pretty funny shit... But to be sure, INDIVIDUALISM is, properly, historically understood, basically RUGGED EUROPEANISM. So, thank you, COBB. Thank you for displaying your degree of Acculturation. It's clear you're the trumpet player in that Big Band.
LOL, it is funnny how Cobb seems to have no idea what "invididualism" means in American political jargon. Individualism = social survival of the fittest, no financial aid, no economic saftey net, no protection of the civil rights and civil liberties of American citizens, every man and women for themself. Exactly what led to the Great Depression.
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