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Originally posted by Whirling Moat:

The bottom line is that the United States was established with a purpose and vision in mind. The laws created to help the nation form a more perfect union, and among other things promote the welfare of it's citizen. These objectives were thought and conceived to be consistent with the ideology of the founders...Two men marrying would have been an abomination to those who created the Nation and it's laws...

Two African Slaves marrying without their master's consent would have been an abomination to many of those same founders.

I'm afraid that I just don't share the same reverence for those founders and their vision that seems to permiate your posts here in this thread.



I also think that "The Abominations" would make a great name for a musical band.

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Originally posted by Whirling Moat:

Slavery and Civil rights arguments were successful because we had a Prima facie case based upon the existing moral standard. Blacks did not have to super impose a new morality onto America in order to make our case...The Civil Rights Movement was an Appeal to the exisitng ethics..

You make it sound so easy.

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I'm afraid that I just don't share the same reverence for those founders and their vision that seems to permiate your posts here in this thread.

Exactly... What's up with that WM? I'm actually a little shocked at your invoking slave owning capitalist masons in such a way... Please explain why...

Peace.....

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Exactly... What's up with that WM? I'm actually a little shocked at your invoking slave owning capitalist masons in such a way... Please explain why...

Sister Oshun, the greatest error the American colonists were guilty of was their hypocrisy. They were flaming, Goddamn hypocrites, and they were rebellious liars. They raised principles which we granted to them in our mystery schools, and used these principles to create a nation which would deny these very same value.

The Founders of this nation were more than simple Deists..They were students of Per Neter...Poor travelers that we permitted into our house of Wisdom. We opened the Western world to them, we taught them the sea route to this new world. It was a black nation which was the first to recognize the Sovereignty of this Nation, and call her a friend...America gratiously accepted this title even while they were running cargo ships full of free people across the Atlantic..

Oshun, America is under wrath because she broke her word at the outset of this Nation's formation. She has failed to live up to the borrowed principles which we loaned to her..

I can argue American principles from the standpoint because they are truly African principles if properly understood and carried out. "One Nation under God, indivisible,"





We permitted them to use these...

If America was to live up to the lip service of the Colonists, and some of the great writings of men like Thomas Jefferson, then this would have been one of the Best countries in the history of this world..instead it is a poster child for hypocrisy...



Whirling Moat

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Originally posted by Whirling Moat:
They raised principles which we granted to them in our mystery schools, and used these principles to create a nation which would deny these very same value.

But... but... they never INTENDED to truly impliment these principles, that was never their purpose... So I stll fail to see, since you have knowledge of that fact, why you would invoke them and their lies..'

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If America was to live up to the lip service of the Colonists, and some of the great writings of men like Thomas Jefferson, then this would have been one of the Best countries in the history of this world..instead it is a poster child for hypocrisy...

Do you honestly think a country founded by 'colonists' could be anythihg but what it is?

Peace....

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But... but... they never INTENDED to truly impliment these principles, that was never their purpose... So I stll fail to see, since you have knowledge of that fact, why you would invoke them and their lies..'

Because sister, they told good lies.

We can't throw the bath water out with this rotten baby..The truth which they wore like wolves in sheeps clothing is our own truth.

For the sake of this discussion I have directed everyone toward the Christian tradition of the founders..Well, that is true, but what is truth with more clarity is that the Christianity of the Freemason, is closer to the Mystical Arts as practiced by the students of Melchizedek.

I won't elaborate because this thread isn't about that...But, I can easily demonstrate the Afro-Asiatic Origin of American thought.

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Do you honestly think a country founded by 'colonists' could be anythihg but what it is?

No...I think were always planning to be what they were..That being said..It does not mean that the truth which they hid behind is itself bad or inaccurate.

The Founders understood that they were going to establish a righteous guise using a very old and good tradition.


Gay Marriage has no place in that tradition...

Yes, America is the land of liberty, however were the founders so wrapped in individual liberty that they would have willfully allowed such a moral travesty? I doubt it..Even while they were guilty, they were not so bold and stupid as to allow a degeneracy which would have quickly resulted in the ruin of this nation.

Open and notorious decadence sanctioned by the government was not their way. Of course people will raise the institution of slavery..Well, in the beginning slavery was justified to the citizenry..They were not morally at issue until the slave demonstrated a humanity which they were not suppose to possess. This created a crisis of conscience for those of that time..They still wanted their servants, but they did not want it at the price of being perceieved as evil around the world and even by some of their own countrymen.

Everytime a slave excelled beyond his or her station, it made the argument for slavery, and innate black inferiority weaker, and the justification for servitude began to fade away..

New arguments were devised, but once again, they became incredible due to our rise in the face of our adversaries...

Gay couples have no natural right to marry one another..they have the human right to act against nature...Where is homosexuality being misperceived? What truths lie dormant that we should discover about those who practice sex with others of the same gender..? The argument is simple..consenting adults should have the right to pleasure themselves as they see fit as long as no one is harmed....As I have already stated no one can stop Gay couples from spending a lifetime together, andf being legally bound all the while..Yes, ricardo even by State law..But to call it marriage..is wrong..



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