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Afrimerican
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December 23, 2005 10:38 AM |
In the late 1980's there were many debates going on about what Afrimericans would be called on the 2000 Census. The debate had then president Bush Sr. say "...you will be called Black or Negro like you always have to an all white audience that gave him a standing ovatioin, on the other side you had Jesse Jackson and other Negroid Civic leaders saying the race wanted to be called African-American, not because it was true, but because that was the corporate mandate given to them to do in order for them to keep getting the millions of dollars of corporate donations they get and pocket.
This debate caused this writer, me, to do my own research on the various terms given, and used on, by the race, and I was surprised to learn what i did.
African-American has various ambiguous definitions, but LEGALLY, an African-american is a person born in Africa that immigrates to and becomes a Naturalized American. I also lerned that Black, Colored, and Negro also had academic and legal definitions specifcally designating such persons as being born in Africa.
I was shocked at first, because I had adopted and used these terms with a high degree of sureness they were exclusively descriptive of me as a Negroid person born in and 100% native to America. I was wrong.
This led to the realization negroid persons born in America never had a term of description that exclusively and specifically defined them as American born citzens.( Yes, that is confered/infered by the 14th Amendment, but diminished by the Naturalization Act of July 14th 1870 that designates all persons of African descent as/are immigrants, and this law is still active)It was also discovered all the terms used on the race were given/forced on the race.
As a result of this, and in wanting a term that distintly identified me as a Negroid person born in America I created the term Afrimerican, defined it and began using it. Later, after many discussions on this topic with friends, family, and the public in general, I began promoting it as the first and only term that defines Negroid persons born in America. That was in 1989, and the same still holds true today.
On November 9th, 2005 The United Staes Census Bureau added Afrimerican to it's racial clasification list. On December 2nd, 2005 The Oxford English Dictionary notified this writer they were reviewing the Afrimerican Word and Definition for inclusion in the Oxford Dictionary.
This is written here to inform the readers here of this creation and related information, and to get feedback.
I encourage all questions, and ask that any comment be fact based, not emotion based by reason like pavlovian dogs, many have been conditioned to defend ideas and such that are noy in theor favor, and this is especially true of Afrimericans.
Do your own research, find the facts, the truth, and join us.
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sunnubian
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December 23, 2005 at 12:45 PM
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African American will do just fine, thank you very much, since racially we are African and our nationality is American, that makes us African Americans; what WE chose to call ourselves, not the term, name, etc., that the white man TOLD us we were, like 'negroid' - whatever that means or meant to African people whem the white man decided to NAME races of people what he wanted them to be called, you know, the same way that Kunta Kinte was 'named' Toby.
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James Wesley Chester
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December 23, 2005 at 1:53 PM
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On November 9th, 2005 The United Staes Census Bureau added Afrimerican to it's racial clasification list. On December 2nd, 2005 The Oxford English Dictionary notified this writer they were reviewing the Afrimerican Word and Definition for inclusion in the Oxford Dictionary.---Afrimerican
To what do you attribute this action of the Census Bureau?
My understanding of dictionaries is that they see the function a providing a 'record-of-common-usage'. In the instance of 'Afrimerican', your usage is the first I have encountered.
Was a citation-of-usage offered for consideration?
African-American has various ambiguous definitions, but LEGALLY, an African-american is a person born in Africa that immigrates to and becomes a Naturalized American. I also lerned that Black, Colored, and Negro also had academic and legal definitions specifcally designating such persons as being born in Africa.---Afrimerican
Would you, please, provide a source I can use to research the determination of legality of the term 'African-American' that you tout?
I can't imagine a legal defintion saying 'Black, Colored, and Negro' specifically designates such persons as 'being born in Africa'.
Any legal case based on such definition is lost before it gets out of the briefcase.
I have agreed with this usage 'African-American' for native-born African nationals as a comparative with European-American, and Asian-American, and I have used the examples of Teresa Heinz-Kerry, and Barak Obama.
I was not aware there is a codified definition.
The Naturalization Act of 1870 seems to talk about by naturalization regarding African descent.
The significance of this to me is that citizenship had be conferred (by the 14th Amendment) to people formerly in 'involuntary servitude', and the vast majority of such persons were of unknown African ancestry.
1870 was also the year of the 15th Amendment. It is would seemed to be a 'tandem' movement with the inclusion of Africa and people of African descent in The Caribbean. That's just my thought.
I am a strong advocate of identity unique to we Americans who are of unknown African ancestry by whatever name, as long as that terminology (naming) defines us clearly as to heritage, and citizenship, AND provides us with the parity attribute of ancestral nationality.
PEACE
Jim Chester
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Afrimerican
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December 23, 2005 at 2:15 PM
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I am amused by the pavlovian nature and the disaasociative identity disorder many Afrimericans have and promote. That is said based on facts. fact one, most people, most Afrimerican people, or people calling themselves African-American, that are American born, don't know what the word African means, two, they have no true, experiential Afric African experiences, language, customs, worships solely, distinctly African, thus ones claims of being African is more myth than reality.
Additionally, You, me, anyone can call themselves anything they want, and like Toby, African-American is a term given the race, and one not in it's best interest. I can only speak for me, not "we". I can only present the facts, not the popular opinion that one has been conditioned to believe and follow, and even defend that is not in ones best interest.
Per the the Academic and legal standards of any matter, the thread of facts are chronological and verifiable, not some sound bite, or catchy trendy cliche', and the real fact is unless one is born in Africa, one can not sanely, or legally claim being African. that would be like me claiming to be European-American becuase I was told that's where all my knowledge comes from, that would be a demonstration of the imbecilic nature of adopting something that has very little to do with ones here and now reality. Outside of the brainwash, outside of going along with the term African-American given to Afrimericans by whites, which is part of the conditioning many have, the term Afrimerican address more than just some cute trend, and it definitely stands up and against being what whites want and have conditioned may like yourself to think they are but are'nt. It's sad
An African-American is a person born in Africa, an Afrimerican is a person born in America.
If you were not born in Africa why adopt and attempt to debate a term not in your best interest?
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Michael B. Moore
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December 23, 2005 at 3:08 PM
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Welcome. Thanks for joining us. Now, to your posts. quote: Originally posted by Afrimerican:
I am amused by the pavlovian nature and the disaasociative identity disorder many Afrimericans have and promote.
Fist, I have to chuckle at the debate between one who would call us "African American Americans" and one who would call us "Afrimericans"!  quote: fact one, most people, most Afrimerican people, or people calling themselves African-American, that are American born, don't know what the word African means,
Are you suggesting that people don't understand where the continent of Africa is or the etymology of the word or what? Are you talking about the Greek word "Aphrike" - meaning "without cold"? What? quote: two, they have no true, experiential Afric African experiences, language, customs, worships solely, distinctly African, thus ones claims of being African is more myth than reality.
Well, to be argumentative, we certainly have more of a connection to Africa and things African than we do to any any new word morphs. quote: Additionally, You, me, anyone can call themselves anything they want, and like Toby, African-American is a term given the race, and one not in it's best interest.
Can you explain what is in our best interest in this regard? quote: . . . and the real fact is unless one is born in Africa, one can not sanely, or legally claim being African.
Well, first, I'm not sure anyone is claiming to be African. We are claiming to be "African American". There is a profound difference. quote: Outside of the brainwash, outside of going along with the term African-American given to Afrimericans by whites,
Given by whites? Whites gave us Negro, Nigger, Colored perhaps, but certainly not African American. I believe that term came into general use in the mid-eighties. I believe Jesse Jackson was one of the early and frequent proponents of the term then. Malcolm X said the following at an Organization of Afro American Unity meeting in the the 1960's though: "Twenty-two million African-Americans - that's what we are - Africans who are in America." quote: An African-American is a person born in Africa, an Afrimerican is a person born in America.
OK - if you say so.  quote: If you were not born in Africa why adopt and attempt to debate a term not in your best interest?
Here we are back at that "best interest" phrase again. Please explain this if you haven't already. BTW - It would seem logical that if you are concerned about a false allegience to Africa that you would have created a word that doesn't use "AFRI" - four of the six letters of the word - in your new word. How does using "Afri" give us some new and unique identity? Do you think anyone will have any doubt about where that word stem comes from and what it infers?
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Nmaginate
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December 23, 2005 at 3:29 PM
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It's rather odd the someone would rail against the name-term African-American and try to employ the tactic and pretense that "the White Man" gave it to us (when "the White Man" certainly has registered the same literalist objections AFRI has) while, truthfully, acting against the very license of self-determination he tries to act like he is for. And yes, it is even more odd that AFRImerican is the proposed alternative yet a solid definition of the prefix "afri" has not been presented and absolutely NO creativity has been employed either in the construction of the new term or in rebuke of the existing one. Funny how, again, "the White man" comes up with the same quasi-literalist objections to African-Americans. You know, the term "he" gave us.  "A person born in Africa".... WHAT PART?? "A person born in America".... Which one? And then which part/country? I mean, seriously... If you're going to go down that road... don't stop. Stay literal and anally absurd.
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Afrimerican
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December 23, 2005 at 4:05 PM
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There is a story about a group of people that "wandered in the wilderness for forty years". These people wandered, which has also been stated as being "lost" was on a journey that normally took 11 days. It's not that they did not know how to get to where they wanted to go, it was because they choose to wander,they choose to be led around, to adhere to the dictates of the agenda of their leader, as opposed to follow the straight line.
I understand such thinking, and if one choses to be lost, so be it.
One of the major problems with presenting Afrimerican to Afrimericans is they have so conditioned to think and follow beliefs not their own, yet thinking they are, it's a constant challenge trying to get them to unlearn the lies they see and have convinced themselves are true to the degree I don't try to uneducate. I let it/them be.
If the lie works for you have at it. Afrimerican is for those who see the lies, who seek truths and answers to void the ambiguity that shrouds Afrimericans.
What I will do is, If you can tell me the definition of the word African, the original definition, I will answer all the points you brought up in your post, but... take note, if you can't, you may want to consider you are not as qualified to hold discourse on this matter as you assume yourself to be, and take notes.
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Afrimerican
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December 23, 2005 at 5:18 PM
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A diamond among the common stones.
First, the United States Census added this because they have a legal authority to designate ethnic groups in America, and per their definition of other terms used on the race, which change every 15-20 years they were presented with definitive information based on extensive research that quantifably qualified Afrimerican as the only accurate academic and legal term of description of Afrimericans. In reference to The Oxford Dictionary people, These are world scholars, some of the best, and a reasonable amount of the research information about the Afrimerican word and definition was presented to them and as claimed the Afrimerican word and definition is all that it is claimed despite uneducated/unresearched, racial bias disregard
The Books and information you seek/need are out of print Like Blacks law dictionary 1968, or 1954 edition, and they either define the term as such, and or they direct you to the law created were the term was defined, go to a large law library with old,old law books, or to an old book store. The irony, the thing that people miss, or ignore is even if these laws are repealed or replaced, the legal wording per race description still applies until a new law comes along with a new definition, thus you still have laws that use the term colored, that use Negro, that use Black, and these laws are now buried under new laws, but the legal definition of the race is still valid and applicable at will, and in federal and state caselaws, these term definition still have legal connotations, especiacially in the immigration laws, and the Census laws.
More notably, go to any library and get all the dictionaries and they all have some discrepancie on all the terms, and about the "Born in Africa" claim, these dictionaries don't say born they say native, which is a way to say born in without saying born in.
The specific codified definitions are in federal regulatory manuals not available to the public and are written in an ambiguous type of legales.
About the 1870 Naturalization of those of African descent, thats an all encompassing blanket, and and it does cover all, which is why the powers that be engage the race in an ethnic name change every 15-20 years, it's psychological manipulation to distract from the real fact we are considered immigrants, half ctizens, and that is also evident by the various laws still in effect to give us rights white Americans enjoy without law or question.
The main point you made is Afrimericans are, for the most part, of African descent from an unknown African ancestry, that's what Afrimerican is about.
The Afrimerican word and definition addresses that void, as well as addressing and ending the ethnic name rotation game the race is put through. It addresse the fact all terms in vogue were created by and given to the race by others, and it addresses the gross disparity of unequal oppurtunity and acquisition to that whites not only take for granted, but see as their duewe are due to, overdue.
Afrimericans for the most part built America, and are resposible for much of what makes America America, but their is not one Afrimerican owned nationwide television station, radio station, store chain, etc. Afrimerican is unifying term that can end, or lessen many of the pointless debates and allow us to unite on more progressive matters.
United we stand, divided we fell, and are still falling.
I am preparing a documentary so the info herein is general so as not to give too much away, but all written is provable/verifiable by anyone that does the research.
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Nmaginate
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December 23, 2005 at 5:23 PM
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quote: One of the major problems with presenting Afrimerican to Afrimericans is they have so conditioned to think and follow beliefs not their own...
And obviously there are more problems with your presentation seeing as how you have yet to present a definition of AFRI, let alone AFRImerican. quote: Afrimerican is for those who see the lies, who seek truths and answers to void the ambiguity that shrouds Afrimericans.
And yet again, NOTHING definitive but you got plenty of mindless self-indulgent, self-important and silly descriptions of something (Afrimerican) that you still have not defined. What the hell is "AFRImerican"? What makes it anything of any more value than said "lies"?? quote: What I will do is, If you can tell me the definition of the word African, the original definition, I will answer all the points you brought up in your post...
In other words, what you will do is play games like I give a fuck in the first place. When you make all the proclamations you have ( As a result of this... I created the term Afrimerican, defined it and began using it.) yet cannot or rather will not detail your thinking in choosing that term and how it avoid the very trappings of the term you rail against. I suppose American is so very well defined and non-problematic. Truthfully, your issue lies in something beyond the construction and meaning of the word which is so clear in so many of this IDENTITY CRISIS people like YOU have... quote: if you can't, you may want to consider you are not as qualified to hold discourse on this matter...
Dude, you don't set any conditions on any discussion around here. Again, you work under the false assumption that I give a fuck. That's just to be frank... I don't... These are truly your ISSUES. Your IDENTITY Issues complete with your ego trips. "What I will do..."Tell the truth... What you will do is continue on this monologue you sought by posting your thoughts in the first place. You know... what you will do is get your scripted lines and questions out while trying to avoid things that conflict, contradict and complicate your simplistic little tripe-as-nomenclature thingy. quote: One day while making up words to look up in the dictionaries being used for my research, I wrote AFRIMERICAN, and when I took notice, I liked the look, and sound of it, so I began looking for it in different dictionaries, encyclopedias, reference books, magazines, newspapers, even phone books, and not finding it, I authored a definition and began using it. An Afrimerican is a member of a race of mankind, born in the United States of America, descended from African immigrants, classified and characterized according to physical features such as skin color,( lite brown to dark brown), hair texture, and body skeletal build,(i.e. nose, lips, etc...).
Well, I'll just use some more of yours words which hardly reflect well on your egoistic little Temper Tantrum because no one (here) thinks your little creation (your little concoction) amounts to much: I say lets present the Afrimerican Word and Definition to the public, and let the people decide.  And the people say?? (Damn you're lucky you're not CON-Feed...) There. Now you've had your "LOOK AT ME" Moment. And, hell, I even bothered to research your BS. You should feel like that big man you and that air pump build you and your ideas up to be. But, on one quick note... The ancestors of those people called Black, Negro, Colo(u)red, Afro-American, African-American, etc. Those people were not "IMMIGRANTS." You can look that up in a dictionary on a bookshelf near you.  And what's up with that "race (of mankind)" stuff? When were you born again? I mean, when did "race" become an accurate, academic definition and distinction of anything meaningful particularly with respect to physical features? Dude, now that stuff is embarrassingly... ummmm... "conditioned"... (*ahem*) UNEDUCATED and the list goes on. But at least I did find this entertaining: quote: I began mailing 20 to 30 letters a month to various Afrimerican Leaders, and organizations, to various city, county, state, and federal agencies and officials, to various television, radio, and newspaper outlet and personalities, and while I did get many positive responses, the majority were non committal stating it was in their best interest to follow the trend of the then promotion of African-American, and what was very disturbing was it was the Afrimerican civic leaders, and organizations that gave me, and the Afrimerican Word and Definition the harshest criticism and treatment, I saw for the first time these people and agencies while advocating positive change for Afrimerican, and Afrimerican parity, had a self serving agenda that was purely for the coffers and pockets of the agency, and it's cronies, and from doing a great deal of the man-on-the-street type of encounters, I learned these agencies don't have a clue what the man in the street is thinking...
On second thought, maybe I should give you the CON-Feed Treatment... LOL Anyway, it's clear you have similar type of issues: quote: I contacted or tried to contact the people using Afrimerican on the web and no one responded, the next thing I did was check the various collegiate, and legal dictionaries to recreate a reference list of definitions of all the terms mentioned, (African-American, Black, Colored, and Negro), and the sources, and I was surprised, and disappointed that these (all of them) dictionary publishers had altered the definitions, or removed the words and/or definitions from the dictionaries completely, sort of an Orwellian tactic which I believe came, partly as a reaction to some of my earlier letters to the various dictionary publishers asking them to include the Afrimerican Word and definition, and partly to reinforce the forcing of the term African-American on the populace. Prior experiences with submitting, and asking Oxford Dictionary, Ransom House Dictionary, Merriam-Webster Dictionary and other dictionary publishers to include the Afrimerican Word and definition in their dictionaries was met with disdain with one major dictionary publisher telling me to get Afrimerican leaders to contact him and he'd think about it, and Merriam-Webster replied they don't include words in their dictionary unless, and until it is/or becomes widely used by the general public, but I can find words in the Merriam-Webster Dictionary no one uses, and/or that are not used by the general public, and that exclusionary act is a prime example of the attitude, and treatment I noted earlier about Afrimericans not being allowed the same rights of consideration, inclusion, and recognition as other ethnic groups/races are.
I mean, Good Lord!!! 
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Afrimerican
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December 23, 2005 at 5:28 PM
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UNTRUE. Give me your facts to prove your stand, and why you choose a certain term, breakdown all the components, prove yourself right.
Your rhetorical semantics were a clever way of saying you don't know. I know and won't too much debate or try to convince you I do.
The fact that the United States Census gives Afrimerican recognition says plenty, and while this is not a contest, your disposition begs the question, "What have you done of equal or greater merit for Afrimericans?"
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Nmaginate
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December 23, 2005 at 5:37 PM
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quote: Afrimericans for the most part built America, and are resposible for much of what makes America America, but their is not one Afrimerican owned nationwide television station, radio station, store chain, etc.
Some coherence please...? quote: Afrimerican is unifying term that can end, or lessen many of the pointless debates and allow us to unite on more progressive matters.
And the people said... ??Obviously, you're not attuned to the feelings of "The Man On The Street" or in the forums. Without anything I have to say about your... "term"... Just right here we see how Mr. Chester has his own that he prefers as you do yours. Now, how exactly, especially with all your shenanigans, do you feel your term is something that people who are/have been called Black, Negro, Colo(u)red, African-America, etc. can or will unite under your term... JUST BECAUSE YOU WANT THEM TO? Perhaps you can explain that. That and the deal with your ego that makes this name-move something desired, much less necessary. The prefix "AFRI" means what?? And "MERICAN"? What the hell is that? Or maybe you can try to figure out (before those dastardly dictionary officionados tamper with those dictionaries again) the original meaning/definition of AMERICAN. And, silly me, I'm going with the idea that an AMERICAN is someone born in ONE of the AMERICAS - North America, South America... Central or what-have-you. But thanks for the entertainment though...
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Afrimerican
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December 23, 2005 at 5:41 PM
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GOOD! KEEP LOOKING, IN THE MEAN TIME TELL ME WHAT TERM YOU USE AND WHY, AND WHAT ARE IT'S LEGAL DEFINITIONS, THE LEGAL DEFINITION OF AFRICAN-AMERICAN IS A PERSON BORN IN AFRICA.
What are you?
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Nmaginate
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December 23, 2005 at 6:23 PM
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quote: Give me your facts to prove your stand, and why you choose a certain term, breakdown all the components, prove yourself right.
What in the HELL are you talking about?? "Prove My Stand"?? LOL Dude, I don't have an IDENTITY CRISIS so my identity isn't wrapped in the perpetual inadequacies of terms limited by both language(construction) and circumstance. There is nothing for me to "prove right" save that I don't have the IDENTITY CRISIS you do. And that's clear to see. Again, my identity isn't wrapped, tied or invested in a particular term of my choosing. I'll be honest though... As noted above, I agree with the spirit and effort put into AFRICAN AMERICAN as a concept-term and it reflects (as I quoted) much of my sensablities and thoughts... Oops! Excuse me. My mistake. I attempted to post this to piggy-back off of MBM reference to Malcolm X's statement: quote: The term "African American" has been in common usage in the United States since the late 1980s, when greater numbers of African Americans began to adopt the term self-referentially. Malcolm X favored the term "African American" over "Negro" and used the term at an OAAU (Organization of Afro American Unity) meeting in the early 1960s, saying, "Twenty-two million African-Americans - that's what we are - Africans who are in America." Former NBA player/coach Lenny Wilkens is another who used the term as a teenager when filling a job application. Many Blacks began to abandon the term "Afro-American", which had become popular in the 1960s and '70s, for "African-American," because they desired an unabbreviated expression of their African heritage that could not be mistaken or derided as an allusion to the afro hairstyle. The term became increasingly popular, and by the 1980s, Jesse Jackson and others pressed for its adoption and acceptance. Users of the term argued that "African-American" was more in keeping with the nation's immigrant tradition of so-called "hyphenated Americans", who were known by terms like "Irish-American", or "Chinese-American", "Polish-American"), which link people with their, or their ancestors', geographic points of origin. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_American
Yep!! That would be me. Malcolm X voiced my sentiments exactly. I could care less whether he speaks for you but it does seem that what you conveyed was, in fact, UNTRUE: two, they have no true, experiential Afric African experiences, language, customs, worships solely, distinctly African, thus ones claims of being African is more myth than reality.In your need to self-validate and affirm your BS, you know you misrepresented the impetus for adopting the term and one stand of mine I will "prove"... From a "WHITE" website-forums: I can't even count the number of inane statements in conversations I've been in and yes... they came from Whites who voiced the same "wasn't born in Africa", "never been to Africa" little quip. PROVEN beyond the shadow of a doubt.
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Nmaginate
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December 23, 2005 at 6:29 PM
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quote: GOOD! KEEP LOOKING, IN THE MEAN TIME TELL ME WHAT TERM YOU USE AND WHY, AND WHAT ARE IT'S LEGAL DEFINITIONS, THE LEGAL DEFINITION OF AFRICAN-AMERICAN IS A PERSON BORN IN AFRICA.
What are you?
Not an issue because I don't have your IDENTITY COMPLEX and issues. But I will KEEP LAUGHING at your shameless, pathetic and ineffectual attempts are self-promotion for self-esteem. Like I said: There. Now you've had your "LOOK AT ME" Moment.Also, you can get rid of the WHITE-Speak anytime now. "Person Born In Africa." LOL "UNTRUE!!!"  Dude, at least have the integrity to come right out and say what your ISSUES are. And, yes, again... They are YOUR ISSUES. If you feel AFRIAMERICAN is cool and reflects your idea, image and attitude... whatever... Cool. But you can take your self-shit elsewhere. I mean, you do know it's clear you're on some self-shit with this shameless self-promotion, right? With few exceptions, not an ounce of the issues you have resonate with anyone here. Plus, you really have not made a compelling case for what's problematic with African-American. Even moreso, you have not established how AFRIMERICAN is not riddled with some of the same if not more of the inherent problems of language and circumstance. So you created (concocted) the term. Okay. What does that stuff mean? I mean, what do the root words, main/prefix, mean? i.e. I'm not talking about your created definition which, as noted above, is internally, inherently problematic in and of itself (i.e. "Immigrants"; "Race", etc.) quote: "What have you done of equal or greater merit for Afrimericans?"
ISSUES!!! Ego-driven, ego-centric, inflated self-importance, AFFIRMATION, VALIDATION seeking... ISSUES. And the people said...?? Don't shrink in the face of REJECTION.  "What have you done...?" Damn dude... Don't cry. You wanted feedback. You got feedback. You had a false premise and pretense. Now that BS is exploded. What else do you want from me? A cookie? 
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EbonyRose
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quote: Originally posted by Afrimerican:
If you were not born in Africa why adopt and attempt to debate a term not in your best interest?
I've got a question, Afrimerican ... If I was not born in Africa, why should I adopt and why is it in my best interest to utilize any part of that word, term, place in defining/describing myself. I understand what you have said. And I may have even been a little more inclined to subscribe to it or consider the merits of it if it hadn't been presented in such a ... well, arrogant fashion. But, your lack of a proper delivery notwithstanding, what I don't understand is, if you feel that the word "African" in the designation African-American is inappropriate, then why relate to any part of it, in part or in whole? And if it is okay to use "Afri" (but not "African") because of your desire to develop a different way in which to designate who you and other Negroid people born in America are, then aren't you relating yourself and these other Negroid people to Africa in some way?? I rarely refer to myself or anybody else as African American. And that is because I am not one of those who is programmed or believes what has been told to me by others due to some conditioning to do so ... and that goes for white folks, Jesse Jackson ... or you, for that matter. I think for myself.  And it's a personal decision for me. But, as I understand you, are you saying that as Americans those that wish to connect to the heritage of the Continent by calling themselves African Americans are wrong to do so because they were not born in Africa, but should make that connection by calling themselves Afrimericans ... does that mean that they were born in Afri?? And if not, why not just use the term "American" since that is their (and your) true nationality? 
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Nmaginate
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December 23, 2005 at 8:20 PM
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quote: does that mean that they were born in Afri??
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Afrimerican
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Thank you,
first don't focus on the messenger and miss the message. Second, pardon my attitude, my arrogance?, but I've lived with this fifteen sixteen years and to be honest, whites, Mexicans, Asians, and foreign nationals of all persuasions get the meaning and purpose of Afrimerican, and understand the various levels of disinformation associated with the topic to see the fallacies that Afrimericans miss because of the conditioning to adopt and defend other terms.
In fact, Afrimericans are the most resistant.
My experience has been when whites say something is whatever they say it is , Afrimericans accept it almost without question,when an Afrimerican says something is what they say, it becomes a debate, and a tearing down, even if it's in their favor.
While I see your point in asking why not use the whole word African, it's not that I have anything against it, or people so inclined to be described/defined as such, but on the everyday social level, tha matter is more or less chit chat because there are more factors to consider, and these factors cover all strata of living in America, and the world.
America, is a business, it's a multi-pronged conglomerate, and all the rules, laws, regulations, Acts, treatise, and "WORDS", and "WORDINGS" of such have specific purposes and designations that are either positive or negative to any particular person or group per same.
On a legal level, especially with the erosion of the enforcement of the constitution, the voiding of personal rights, and the like, the terms African-American, Black, Colored, and Negro legally designating Negroid persons born in America as immigrants, which per other laws, mean if at any time America is attacked said persons can be locked up and or deported at will without trial or due process dispute.(Historical note: When something very similar to this began in Germany under Hitler the Jews and the world didn't think it would happen until it did..)
One would like to think such is not possible, some who read this would even say I'm nuts to think such a thing is possible, but such is in the news everyday.
The ironic thing is when people see it happeniong, they never think it will happen to them.
The reason why this is so important at this time in history is America, and most if not all of the European nations are engaged in a Nazi-istic endeavor to own and control everything, and subjegate all non-whites to them, and for Afrimericans we are the only race that doesn't own or control anything on an equitable scale inany area of the American Congomerate so as to be a race self sustaining and self supporting of itself in all areas of industry, and we need to move toward being that an the Afrimerican word and definition is a long overdue ideom to facilitate such progress.
As to why I used AFRI, well I know what African means, and I know I am far, far, far, far removed from that aesthetic, but I still have part of it, if not consciously, then genetically, (genetic memory), and I choose those letters to represent I am part African and I choose the remaining letters to represent I am part American, and to together, these letters make a new word, that represents a new paradigm in Afrimericans existence and position, and self/ethnic Identity
On another level, in my lifetime, in the 60's Afrimericans were called, and known as Negro, the late 60's it was Black, in the early 70's Afro-American was in vogue, and now it's African-American. The ethnic name rotation game has been going on for over a hundred years, in fact if you get ten American born Negroid persons in a room together and ask them what they are racially, one will say Black, one will say African-American, I know some people that call themselves Nigritian, Niggas for short, and we are the only race in America, of American birth that do that.
I just got upset, so I'll end with the questions, does that make sense for Afrimericans to be the only race to do such, does it make sense we are the only race whites have named and we debate over the name given, but accept them and denigrate one created by one of our own..., and look for reasons to dismiss it.
In general I am not agaisnt anyone using any term, but in a side by side comparison and contrast, The Afrimerican word and definition is the only term that accuratly academically and legally defines the race as American born, the others don't, whites know this, Afrimericans don't, and/or refuse to accept it.
Now you know, use it or reject it, it's your choice. Afrimerican stands on it's own merits.
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Vox
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Afrimerican, welcome to the board... although you've brought us the latest project from the twilight zone of self-absorption. Maybe you and Johnny Destiny can get together and form the Afrimerican religion, too. quote: Originally posted by Afrimerican:
Thank you,
to be honest, whites, Mexicans, Asians, and foreign nationals of all persuasions get the meaning and purpose of Afrimerican, and understand the various levels of disinformation associated with the topic to see the fallacies that Afrimericans miss because of the conditioning to adopt and defend other terms.
In fact, Afrimericans are the most resistant.
I will suggest to you that black people are not "conditioned" to defend anything. That's a strange statement to describe a group that has gone from negro to colored to black to Afro-American to African-American in less than 40 years. If we're so conditioned to defend a term, we must really be some wishy-washy defenders. Your whites and others are merely being polite to you. They probably think you're a weirdo, and they probably clown on you behind your back. Nothing you've said here makes any sense. I guarantee you that most of the people you bring this to pick up on that. Case in point: quote: On a legal level, especially with the erosion of the enforcement of the constitution, the voiding of personal rights, and the like, the terms African-American, Black, Colored, and Negro legally designating Negroid persons born in America as immigrants, which per other laws, mean if at any time America is attacked said persons can be locked up and or deported at will without trial or due process dispute.
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The reason why this is so important at this time in history is America, and most if not all of the European nations are engaged in a Nazi-istic endeavor to own and control everything, and subjegate all non-whites to them, and for Afrimericans we are the only race that doesn't own or control anything on an equitable scale inany area of the American Congomerate so as to be a race self sustaining and self supporting of itself in all areas of industry, and we need to move toward being that an the Afrimerican word and definition is a long overdue ideom to facilitate such progress.
So you're saying, basically, that the terms "African-American, Black, Colored, and Negro" make it legal for us to be denied a trial, but the term "Afrimerican" will force the white man to give us a trial? Is it like "Abracadabra"? Or is it like "Simon Says"? How exactly will the word Afrimerican protect us?
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Nmaginate
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quote: An African-American is a person born in Africa.
An Afrimerican is a person born in America.
And such are your ISSUES... Anally Absurd - i.e. you've made shit up due to some trivial, yet well conditioned hang-ups you have... All of which are Well Documented, noted for and marked by readily identifiable historical CONDITIONING and the self-hate filled, self-loathing inspired confused, anxiety paradox-complex that makes you want to disown what you can't help but claim - AFRICAN. And, yes, to this CONDITIONING, you give your unparalleled obedience with Pavlovian Accuracy: quote: Two critical issues have historically dominated discourses on the future of black Americans: identity and homeland. Who is the black American? Where is her/his homeland? The foundation of these questions is rooted in slavery and racism; institutions built on the de-Africanization of black consciousness, that is, the devaluation of Africa, and denial to Africans of a tradition of history, culture and civilization. Africa was the "Dark Continent," inhabited by barbarians. Slaves were thus socialized with what Samuel DuBois Cook called a "tragic conception" of their history. They were raised with negative images of Africa. Europeans represented Africa as a dreadful place whose characteristics justified the enslavement of blacks. To blacks, Africa was no place to identify with, and many soon perceived enslavement as schooling in civilized existence. From the beginning, therefore, blacks struggled desperately for a new identity within what was presented to them as a superior and civilized European order. They aspired to become fully American, and avoided identification with the shameful and debilitating African ancestry. Since the African homeland and identity were associated with negative qualities, blacks sought new identity and homeland within America. http://www.cishsydney2005.org/images/AdelekeMT2a.doc
And to think, after all these years and a NEGROID" is still running as "far, far, far" away from AFRICA and things AFRICAN as he can via "the dictates of [his] white masters"... As noted. AS WELL DOCUMENTED (above). PS: This shit isn't so just because you pronounce it to be so. Get A GRIP! Silly "Negroid." An African-American is a person born in Africa.
An Afrimerican is a person born in America. Actually, going with that construction, a AFRImerican is a person born in the non-existant AFRI-Zone. The non-existant, meaningless, empty, without definition and with no significance "AFRI"... Zone. You know, some nether region of the Twilight Zone. But, go ahead... Tell us what the hell is an "AFRI." You said: "I choose those letters to represent I am part African." Well, unfortunately for you, THAT'S NOT A DEFINITION and, given how you admit how you derive those letters from AFRIcan then, as I questioned, you have not demonstrated how your term is not riddled with the same limitations of language and circumstance. quote: Does it make sense we are the only race whites have named and we debate over the name given, but accept them and denigrate one created by one of our own..., and look for reasons to dismiss it?
Well, Mr. IhavenointellectsoI'llbegyouwiththerhetoricalinhopesthatyou'llbelieveme, I do recall you saying, "Let The People Decide." Now, it makes absolutely no sense to decry the verdict/decision made "by the people" just because it's not one you like and you can't even show the value, merit or worth of your term. And, no... making up shit about the term AFRICAN-AMERICAN doesn't strengthen your inherently weak case for AFRIMERICAN. At best, adapting your term would be going backwards. You may not like the term, it may not speak to you. Cool. But quite a few of us either don't have those ISSUES you have or actually prefer the UNABBREVIATED, unabridged, unadulterated version. Whatever the limits of langauge and circumstance AFRICAN-AMERICAN represents, quite a few of us have reconciled it and made our peace with whatever there is that may be "missing" or lacking in inherently limited words. You will have to find peace and reconcile things due to your own IDENTITY CRISIS, problems, issues and confusions. That is something you're going to have to do alone or in some [small] group that sympathizes and shares your particular ISSUES. Here, there is little company for your misery. With respect to what we call ourselves... the majority of us have resolved that. We have no problems, issues or hang-ups with the AFRICAN that you are obviously trying your best, as CONDITIONED as you are, to run and stay as far, far, far, far away from as possible. Obviously, AFRI represents what you can't fake or hide from.
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James Wesley Chester
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Fist, I have to chuckle at the debate between one who would call us "African American Americans" and one who would call us "Afrimericans"!---MBM
Me too! Me too!!
PEACE
Jim Chester
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Afrimerican
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I hope the writer that spoke on me being arrogant is reading the replies hereto.
The major, or main points are overlooked to debate some trvial aspect, and, as said, an agenda not in favor of Afrimericans is advocated per the generation after generation conditioning to align with the dictates of white masters, which gave the identity being defended.
Past, and recent past history clearly demonstrate Afrimericans are subject to any form of treatment whites dictate,and like being in the matrix, many Afrimericans favor such because it has definable features that tell them their place, and they want to be told.
Adopting Afrimerican in and of itself does not sheild Afrimericans from all injustices, but it does eliminate many of the various walls of seperation whites depend on to serve an agenda Afrimericans are subservient to.
Afrimerican can and does address/redress the immigrant status of African-American. That's a start. Eventually Afrimericans can petition for soveriegnty.
I notice it's only a small handfull of people dejecting Afrimerican in any small way, and I do consider that some of you may be Africa born, and be part of/paid to fuel the debate to secure your standing.
In any case, there is a world of historical facts, laws, and acts that need changing, and one can change or not. Still,
An African-American is a person born in Africa.
An Afrimerican is a person born in America.
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Nmaginate
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quote: An African-American is a person born in Africa.
An Afrimerican is a person born in America.
And such are your ISSUES... Well Documented. Noted for and marked by readily identifiable CONDITIONING...
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EbonyRose
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Afriamerican ... I have to make this quick because I am still on Elf duty and have to run out into confusion that is Christmas Eve shopping ... plus Indy is going to play Seattle at 3:00! However, let me say that I appreciate your explanation above. I also perused your website last night and browesed through most of your explanation of creation of this term. I've no doubt you are by now extremely frustrated by trying to get your point across to the masses ... I'm sure you've encounted resistance to it from the beginning. Now then, I believe where I have the most trouble with what you are terming the Afrimerican Identity Crises and the whole word and definition thing is that that while I can see and understand your concept, it is not wholely based in accuaracy and is presented in an "if you don't believe and accept this there's something wrong with you" manner. To say that the term African-American was placed/forced upon us is simply not factually true. If, as you say, (and I haven't had the time to research for myself, but I'll take your word for it) Lincoln first coined the phrase and it was rejected by the masses, and then J.J. came up with it and it was rejected by the societal majority but generally accepted by the Negroid population (as evidenced by the fact that it is now nationally and internationally used), then it is not a matter of it being a "forced" designation. Most "Negroids" use the term because they like and appreciate it. It is a self-designation. And you can best believe if it was that offensive to us, regardless of who coined it, it would not have a chance at success. The word African does describe all of us Negroid people, regardless of where in the world we are or were born. I won't even involve the fact that the Mother of All Civilization came from Africa into this discussion. We'll just leave that to the side. But, beyond that, no matter how far you remove yourself or are removed from that which is African, you are tethered to it by heritage. Whether you (or anybody) uses the word in whole or in part, there simply is nothing "wrong" about the use of it. So, maybe if you don't tell people that, they will be a little more accepting of what you're trying to put forth. I will try to address this more a little later, but may I suggest that if you're going to try to sway people to way of thinking (which I think may, on some level have some merit) you need to come correct and more honest about it. Say that you thought this up and why and that you think it's a great idea and that people should consider it. Say that in addition to the term African-American (sorry about the hyphen JWC! ) you believe that Afrimerican also describes our designation and that you would like to see this term added to the mix of terms by which we call ourselves. And then if it catches on, so be it. Say that in entrepeneur endeavors you would like to sell T-shirts with that term/word/definition in hopes of getting broader acceptance of it. And that your idea isn't the only idea or the only right idea ... you just think it's a pretty good one! ----- I hadn't seen your most recent post ... sorry! And yes, I've noted the responses. But, the end of your post seems to prove my point. To your point of "An African-American is a person born in Africa. An Afrimerican is a person born in America." ... An American is a person born in America. An Afrimerican would have to be something other than that ... a person born in America with another qualifying distiction (obviously something African, hence the "Afri" prefix). Otherwise my Japanese neighbor would also be an Afrimerican, as he is "a person born in America." Ya know what I mean??
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Afrimerican
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I noticed your qoutes from Wikipedia earlier and almost fell over laughing because much, and most of what's written in the Wikipedia African-American article was wriiten, and/or edited by me over the past 12-15 months, maybe longer, and re-edited by Wikipedia administrators to feed the agenda of disinformation on the topic already in play and well established and supported.
The first official use of African-American came about after the enactment of the Emancipaption Proclamation when President Lincoln, wanting to demonstrate the validity(as much as possible at the time), that the Proclamation would be upheld, performed a Naturalizing swearing in ceremony of newly arrived Black Africans and he called them African-American and applied that term to all Blacks then in America. That was immediately disputed by many Afrimericans at the time who had been born in America, and was far removed from any direct knowledge or experiences of African life. This dispute was most notably made by Frederick Douglas and others, and as a compromise the terms Black or Negro were designated for Afrimericans born in North America, and African-American for Blacks/whites/anyone, born in Africa. Unbeknownst to many in the public sector, Black, and Negro was given the same legal definition as African-American, and while the Black Codes and similar laws were repealed and or rewritten , or abolished, other laws written used the legal inferment of the definiton of said terms in the new laws.
That aside, every scholastic, and research institution of merit dismisses Wikipedia as a source of merit, it's not.
There is an Orwellian complex in full effect, and commensurate with that, is a symptom of full blown denial when one is presented with information that cofirms the doubt one had anyway. the reaction is a feirce defense to hold on to the false beliefs because of a diffused acceptance to whit, the lie becomes a comfortable truth. Psychological compensation thats autonomic/paranomic.
I understand, it's hard to admit one has been bamboozled, hoodwinked, and harder to accept one has helped the trickmiester fool them.
Those seeking truth will find it, and the truth stands on it's own. Those following the lie seek ways to defend it per some need to validate the lie. Still.
An African-American is person born in Africa.
An Afrimerican is a person born in America.
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Fine
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Vox quote: Afrimerican, welcome to the board... although you've brought us the latest project from the twilight zone of self-absorption. Maybe you and Johnny Destiny can get together and form the Afrimerican religion, too.
LMAO = Seriously, Vox your reply makes perfect sense within a comical context... ---------------- Welcome-Afriamerican! I was attracted to this site because I adhere to the term African American. I am an American [unfortunately] of [a proud] "African Descent". This is my best description. If I were a linquist I would delve deeper into the matter. Are you a linguist scholar?
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James Wesley Chester
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I was going to put 'African American-American' in Wikipedia today. After I struggled through learning how of course. But I decided to wait, mostly because the 'learning how' was not immediately apparent.
Now I see one your later posts saying you have already begun that process. That's good.
I say begun because my understanding is that Wikipedia is a constant editing process.
I'm not going to add to that process yet. My reason is that I don't want the 'wrong hands' getting involved in telling me who I am.
I am working on it.
I disagree with most of your definitions. I've asked a couple of direct questions that you have not yet chosen to answer. But there'e plenty of time.
As you can see, I too have a long-standing concern with the issue of identity for Americans of unknown African ancestry.
I will not get into a 'head-to-head' with you except regarding issues.
I am very pleased to encounter someone who addresses 'identity' itself as being critical to the healing need as a people.
I will say, as Fine has alluded, terms adn terminology have to be able to withstand the rigor of our language, including those which are self-defined.
If the term, and/or its extension fails the test of the language of our society, it fails us.
It is a part of our collective responsibiliy to keep that from happening.
PEACE
Jim Chester
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Nmaginate
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quote: I noticed your qoutes from Wikipedia earlier and almost fell over laughing because much, and most of what's written in the Wikipedia African-American article was wriiten, and/or edited by me over the past 12-15 months, maybe longer, and re-edited by Wikipedia administrators to feed the agenda of disinformation on the topic already in play and well established and supported.
And it goes without saying that, laugh as you might... Abe Lincoln as nasty as you want him to be, etc. NONE OF THAT HELPS YOU! Your term still falls flat on its face because ain't nobody born in "AFRI." quote: An AFRImerican is a person born in the non-existant AFRI-Zone. The non-existant, meaningless, empty, without definition and with absolutely no significance "AFRI"... Zone. Some distant nether region of the Twilight Zone.
It's A Conspiracy!! A Secret Agenda! Dude. Get your hand out of that can of mixed nuts. That (pea)nut oil and salt is going to your head. You're becoming what you've been eating... I said it and I'll say it again: Here, there is little company for your misery.
With respect to what we call ourselves... the majority of us have resolved that. We have no problems, issues or hang-ups with the AFRICAN that you are obviously trying your best, as CONDITIONED as you are, to run and stay as far, far, far, far away from as possible. Obviously, AFRI represents what you can't fake or hide from.And I quote... again: quote: Two critical issues have historically dominated discourses on the future of black Americans: identity and homeland. Who is the black American? Where is her/his homeland? The foundation of these questions is rooted in slavery and racism; institutions built on the de-Africanization of black consciousness, that is, the devaluation of Africa, and denial to Africans of a tradition of history, culture and civilization. Africa was the "Dark Continent," inhabited by barbarians. Slaves were thus socialized with what Samuel DuBois Cook called a "tragic conception" of their history. They were raised with negative images of Africa. Europeans represented Africa as a dreadful place whose characteristics justified the enslavement of blacks. To blacks, Africa was no place to identify with, and many soon perceived enslavement as schooling in civilized existence. From the beginning, therefore, blacks struggled desperately for a new identity within what was presented to them as a superior and civilized European order. They aspired to become fully American, and avoided identification with the shameful and debilitating African ancestry. Since the African homeland and identity were associated with negative qualities, blacks sought new identity and homeland within America. http://www.cishsydney2005.org/images/AdelekeMT2a.doc
We understand... It's the dictates of YOUR white masters that makes you want to get as far, far, far, far away from the AFRICAN, that full-blown AFRICAN, even the full, part AFRICAN as you pathetically can. So, really... The jokes on you. Now tell me WHAT THE PEOPLE SAY??
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Afrimerican
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Just as a matter of curiousity, Ive noticed two, or three responses to me have addressed me as AFRIAMERICAN, when the correct term is AFRIMERICAN. Is that done on purpose, or by accident...?
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EbonyRose
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Afrimerican ... Those quotes as you put them are from your website ... I presume it is yours, because the url is your moniker .com. But this is it HERE. I read it in the "About us" section. From what else I read during my search, Wikipedia has deleted your word and definition or never used it or something. Most of the links are to posts by you complaining abou that.
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Vox
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quote: Originally posted by Afrimerican:
The major, or main points are overlooked to debate some trvial aspect, and, as said, an agenda not in favor of Afrimericans is advocated per the generation after generation conditioning to align with the dictates of white masters, which gave the identity being defended.
Past, and recent past history clearly demonstrate Afrimericans are subject to any form of treatment whites dictate,and like being in the matrix, many Afrimericans favor such because it has definable features that tell them their place, and they want to be told.
Adopting Afrimerican in and of itself does not sheild Afrimericans from all injustices, but it does eliminate many of the various walls of seperation whites depend on to serve an agenda Afrimericans are subservient to.
You're repeating the same stuff I asked you to explain earlier, without explaining it. Please address the following: 1) HOW would adopting your name for African-Americans do ANYTHING to protect us from any denial of due process. What "walls of separation" would it "eliminate," and HOW would it do that? 2) How can you claim African-Americans are "conditioned" to defend the use of a term to denot our ethnicity, when we've gone through FIVE names for our ethnicity in the past 40 years alone? And while you're at it, a couple more: 3) Provide any evidence, links, books (not written by you) that support your claim that Lincoln came up with the name African-American, or that the census used that term to denote blacks during the 19th century. 4) Provide any evidence, links, books (not written by you) that support your claim that Malcolm X never advocated the use of the term African-American. I should warn you: no one can convince the masses of anything unless they have some sort of credibility. There are many aspects of credibility, but one of them is that a credible person should be able to adequately explain and support the things he says. If you can't explain and support the four points I've listed above, then you do not possess the credibility necessary to influence the masses to do anything. Good luck...
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EbonyRose
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Vox ... there you go being all logical and trying to make sense of things again!! Didn't we straighten you out about that a while back?? 
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Afrimerican
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Thank you again.
First let's go back to your earlier post about the term African-American being forced. Yes , it was forced, not in a violent, aggressive manner, but slowly, and subtley(?). Prior to the announcement by Jesse Jackson, the race and nearly all reference documents were called/labelled Black, or Negro. Negro was used to define the race and all matters pertaining to it from thh late 1800s until the mid to late 1960's, Black was used to describe the race, and matters pertaining to it, from the late 1960's until the aforementioned announcement in the late 1980's.
Since then, the powers that be began using African-American in all media, and corporate and government references to the race, and they went back in history and all historical information documents they could change to reflect that term usage got changed, and people/documents were retitled African-American, when before they were referenced by Black, Colored, or Negro, that is what's called the Orwellian effect, where past history is changed to reflect the present, and to create ,falsely, an appearance the change was there all along, thus one doesn't see the change as change.
About Wikipedia, Wikipedia just recently deleted Afrimerican decause they had redfined it as an African-American, I protested. Wikipedia is racist, and have a racist centered agenda not in the interest of any Negroid person, and it/they basically feed into the lies that keep the debate such as this going, a very simple game of divide and conquer whites rely on because it works, and it works well by way, all whites have to do is say something is or isn't and Afrimericans will jump on whatever side whites favor inspite of evidence it's not in their favor but by some quirk of thought they think it is. You see Wikipedia invites articles about Afrimerican, but if you were to write one, they would delete it because they're feeding an agenda not commensurate with their claims of objective openness. Try it, write what you wrote me about me liking the term Afrimerican, and how its offered to others that might want to use it, in one to two days it will be deleted. They're racist.
If you research Wikipedia you'll find it is not reputable. You'll also find it/they have an agenda, and it's bigger than them...
Type African-American in your search box, not the address bar at top, but the search box below it, and the first listing you will see is Wikipedia, theoretically the number one item should be African-American.com, Do the same with the other terms, and you'll find wikipedia is first, second, or third, but the .com is not there or way down the list of listings.
African-American.com is a website sponsored by the C.I.A.(yes I have the documentation to Prove it)Black.com is a site also government sponsored that up to a week or two ago, listed all the organizations asking for donations for Hurricane Katrina victims, now it list news items that have very little, nothing to do with Afrimericans, Colored.com is a porn site, and I don't know about you, but to me, something is wrong with that picture.
This is not about promoting me, or Afrimerican, it's about giving you some clarifying, thought inducing info, that said, Afrimerican is the only term of description of Negroid people born in America you can type in your search box and get Afrimerican.com first, and get relative info about, and from Afrimericans throughout.
I agree with you, anyone can self describe/define themselves anyway, by any term they like, and Afrimerican, is offered as the most accurate, academically and legally when compared and contrasted to other terms, and that's a fact.
About your neighbor, you are correct, per recent news, which is old news to those in the know, at one time all person were Brown-skinned (BLack). The term African is defined as "first man", and even if you use a biblical analogy, if you mix water and dirt, even if it's white dirt, you get brown(Black). That's of a diiferent nature to the predicate subject at hand.
There are many fallacies about this matter many have adopted as truths that cloud this issue, and many of these fallacies have to do with different time periods in history, and different ideologies from varying views and agendas that have gotten enmeshed to where one is constantly attempting to decipher the true from the false, and in most cases the lie has become the truth.
You may want do some research on aversive racism which discusses this phenomena more in-depth.
Because whites are more educated and more involved in the making of laws and such, and because they do, more or less, control everything, or so it seems, they know Afrimerican is what it is, and that's why they have given it the internet position they have, the U.S. Census listing, etc... They also know from five hundred years of conditioning, they don't have to disagree directly, because Afrimericans themselves will denigrate it simply by the previous noted conditioning, and whites saying something else is more important. Back in the day it was called the House Negro syndrome it still is, it's part of Afrimericans genetic memory to where it's automatic.
The magnitude of importance this has on a geopoliticosocioeconomical level is beyond simple name calling, and while my site does have a section that sells t-shirts, you see I have not set it up to take T-shirt orders because thats not my main concern. (I will be setting it up this week/ the whole site is getting done over).
My overall goal 16 years ago, and now remain the same, to provide accurate info about a matter that is shrouded in falsehoods, hypocrisy, and misrepresentations, people, Afrimerican people, believe is in their favor but isn't.
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Afrimerican
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December 24, 2005 at 8:36 PM
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I can lead a horse to water, I can't make it drink.
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Nmaginate
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December 24, 2005 at 9:50 PM
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quote: I can lead a horse to water, I can't make it drink.
Yet and still, I can quote you saying: I say lets present the Afrimerican Word and Definition to the public, and let the people decide.Over and over... What have "The People" said?? There verdict is? Our verdict is? (below): quote: no one can convince the masses of anything unless they have some sort of credibility. There are many aspects of credibility, but one of them is that a credible person should be able to adequately explain and support the things he says... [Obviously] you do not possess the credibility necessary to influence the masses to do anything.
Now, on to meatier things... Let's go to the Lincoln thing and your concept of things dictated, determined, chosen, selected and "forced" by "The White Man" aka Massa, etc., etc. Now, you're making a name thing out to be something pretty damn big but you don't have a thing to say about how citizenship itself, let alone the overall relationship of African-Americans as a people (with the history and circumstance that produced this Name Game) to the [North] American state, is and was determined by "The White Masters", Lincoln included. One need only to reflect on the 100 years it took, after the Emancipation Proc., for African-Americans to gain CIVIL Rights - i.e. rights and privileges defined and accorded, in this case, by this "WHITE" nation (see George Bush). Now, it's rather ironic that you focus your attention on something much more superficial in nature (a "fitting" and original nomenclature) but seem to have no qualms with the so-called AMERICAN citizenship that was more or less "forced" of AFRICAN-Americans via the coercion of circumstance and acculturation. I mean, no comments from you about African-Americans, even Frederick Douglas et al not being involved in some process that determined the African-American relationship and the terms of citizenship. No. It's cool to leave that stuff up to "The White Man" to determine and dictate while you strive so hard to get some cookies over a got-damn name... strictly because of your own personal IDENTITY ISSUES and crisis. Now, I'd say The Terms Of Citizenship (and the overall relationship Black/African-American people, as a people, have with the [North] American state) have some profound legal, economic and social implications well beyond "what our name is..."
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Fine
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December 24, 2005 at 10:50 PM
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quote: Just as a matter of curiousity, Ive noticed two, or three responses to me have addressed me as AFRIAMERICAN, when the correct term is AFRIMERICAN. Is that done on purpose, or by accident...?
I am guilty. But...you still did not answer my question about you being a linquist scholar?
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Afrimerican
D1 · 34 Forum Posts
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December 24, 2005 at 11:25 PM
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A linguist is a person that speaks more than one or two languages, I only speak English, but have been known to break out with some Ebonics, Thugtalk,Profanity, and other types of slang depending on my audience.
As for profession, right now I'm a Psychology student on Xmas break, in general, outside of the ethnic/racial identification concerns, I am an information researcher.(and I don't rely solely on the Internet)
Research is the root of all knowledge because the the of whatever is examined stands up under scrutiny, it stands on it's own, it is what it is, and is unalterable in it's absoluteness.
No I'm not a linguist, I'm an Afrimerican, I'm a Psychology student, I'm an Information Researcher, I am one that seeks the truth so as not to live by and/or in the lie(s).
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Nmaginate
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December 24, 2005 at 11:54 PM
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quote: I am one that seeks the truth so as not to live by and/or in the lie(s).
And what does "AFRI" mean again? I must have missed your definition of that prefix. quote: Most people, most Afrimerican people, or people calling themselves African-American, that are American born, don't know what the word African means, two, they have no true, experiential Afric African experiences, language, customs, worships solely, distinctly African, thus ones claims of being African is more myth than reality.
What does "AFRI" mean and please reveal to us, the so-called Afrimericans, what "AFRI" experiences, language, customs and other things "AFRI" we have or have had. And when you get through... Tell me: WHAT HAVE THE PEOPLE SAID??You did Take It To The People, right? What was their (our) response?
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Afrimerican
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December 25, 2005 at 1:26 AM
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Malcom X no doubt made the statement about African-American, but it was in reference to something that has been taken out of context. Overall, and more abundantly, more precisely, Malcom X reffered to himself as Negro.
As for credentials, I'll quote Malcom X who stated,"... my sincerity is my credential."
How will Afrimerican help the race? There are 30-plus million Afrimericans in America yet not one major Afrimerican service agency that claims a million members, there is not one Nationwide Afrimerican owned anything, and it is hoped and strived that Afrimerican as a term of identification also serve as a means of solidarity among the race so per being unified in number a certain sovereignty can be attained and more equitable inclusions and participation in more stratas of American life, middle class life and up, can be had for more Afrimericans.
The Afrimerican word and definition and the goals of it's proponants are multi-faceted.
As for the people, the people for the most part respond positively. Not everyone, but most, and that's fine because we don't expect everyone to accept or adopt it for various reasons, if you do, if you don't that's your choice we just provide the information relative to the discrepancies.
The research has been done, and the information can be found by anyone willing to find it, and by anyone that knows how to properly conduct a research study, and said research definitely goes beyond what can be found on the internet or books published within the past 20 years, go back 40, 60, 100, 200 years, and don't be surprised to find information from the different eras completely rewriiten and altered to fit present mindsets.
As for the person attempting to poke fun at African-American American, grow up, an African-American American is an African-American that is an immigrant/naturalized American.
As for the prefix AFRI, there is no definitive definition, my interpretation and use designates it as FREE, i.e. A free [a] merican.
Surely, as the author of this term, like any other wordsmith I have the option and literary right to create words and definitions of all types, or was that right exclusive for/to Noah Webster?
Go find the legal definition of African-American, and when you find it is defined as I have said, you may want to apologize to yourself.
Merry Christmas
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James Wesley Chester
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December 25, 2005 at 4:24 AM
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This is not about promoting me, or Afrimerican, it's about giving you some clarifying, thought inducing info, that said, Afrimerican is the only term of description of Negroid people born in America you can type in your search box and get Afrimerican.com first, and get relative info about, and from Afrimericans throughout.---Afrimerican I just typed in 'africanamerica'. The first listing was the 'url' for this site.
Twice I have posted responses in your thread, In fact, I was first to respond, and offered a couple of questions.
Did I miss your response?
P.S. by the way, if you are still looking for sites dealing with African America, you may try http://www.iaanh2.org.[/i]
PEACE
Jim Chester
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Nmaginate
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December 25, 2005 at 5:48 AM
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quote: Surely, as the author of this term, like any other wordsmith I have the option and literary right to create words and definitions of all types...?
 - As to why I used AFRI... I choose those letters to represent I am part *** African ***
Because of that, your term is Literally, Literarily BOUND. BOUND to the AFRIcan. Now, what was the definition and problem you had with the AFRICAN? How come, even after I've made this statement more than once... how come you haven't been able to actually demonstrate how your term avoids the problems and trappings you ascribe to AFRICAN-American? Clearly you "used" the letters "AFRI" after you borrowed them directly from AFRIcan. But, of course, you know that we know that you already know that. And you also know how full of sh*t that makes your whole little Tragic "Negroid" gripes about the term AFRICAN-American. Like I said before: "You really have not made a compelling case for what's problematic with African-American. Moreso, you have not established how AFRIMERICAN is not riddled with some of the same if not more of the inherent problems of language and circumstance.As far as Artistic/Literary License... Well, besides coming up with a completely original term/prefix, if you're going to grant yourself the license to supply your own, convenient definition for *AFRI*merican then, at the same time, you have no Literary Powers to dictate or revoke the license and meaning of AFRICAN-American. See, contrary to your WHITE-Speak about an AFRICAN-American = "A person born in Africa," the quote from Wikipedia demonstrated the reason, impetus and Literary Self-Licensed meaning of the term referred to and was specifically adopted to show a connection to, a reference to "their AFRICAN heritage." No place of birth ideas included save for acknowledging AMERICAN birth. The quote from Malcolm X: "Right now, in this country, if you and I, 22 million African-Americans -- that's what we are -- Africans who are in America. You're nothing but Africans. Nothing but Africans. In fact, you'd get farther calling yourself African instead of Negro." - The Ballot or The Bullet (1964) I really don't think we need to reference his Kittens & Biscuits analogy. The point is, you can't and won't get away with granting yourself some super, defy-everything Artistic/Literary License when, at the same time, you want to deny any semblance of definitional license for those who chose/choose AFRICAN-AMERICAN -- who explicitly made that choice knowing where they were born.
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Afrimerican
D1 · 34 Forum Posts
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December 25, 2005 at 11:04 AM
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Out of what I guess to be hundreds, Thousands of people that visit this site, I am comforted by the fact there are only two people that seem to have a major problem with what I have presented. One persons tries to establish a foundation for their disagreement based on misconstrued, convuluted pseudo-facts that are not facts because whats used has no continuos thread of uniform continuity. The other person tries to trivialize moot points that detract from the bigger picture, and serves to do no more than create a pointless debate of these moot points that are really no more than a means to self convince oneself the lies they believe are true.
The Willie Lynch Syndrome, The post traumatic slavery stress disorder is in full effect.
I started not to respond to the triviality, but for the record, there are no people called "Africanamerica" . The point I was making was not about websites per se, but about the race and relative issues of treatment, but since the trivialization is on the table, anyone, and anything that feeds the European/Western White supremist Nazi-istic agenda, no matter how miniscule, will curry favor. It's like I wrote before, they depend on this because the race, not all, but many have been conditioned to fight for that agenda despite it not being in their favor, and the sad reality is, the ones doing it think they are serving themself, proving themselves right when the ideology is not even theirs, it is what was given them.
Someone one wrote the race has went thru five name changes in the last forty years, and that's my point, the race has, and the irony is even though the name changed, the legal definition remained of a person native(born in) Africa.
The bigger question is twenty years ago African-American was not being used, who were you? Claiming African, to be African, alludes to some directness very few Afrimericans have. Africans don't readily call themselves Africans, they identify by their tribe name, what tribe are you? The average African speaks at least three languages fluently, how many do you speak? How many dialects of Swahilli do you speak? What specific geographical area of Africa can you claim affinity to? Who are it's elected officials? What is it's currency?
If one is not African born, to claim being something one is not and has very little direct experiential knowledge of is foolhardy.
Africanamerica as a website is cool. and it's great to have it's boosters, and supporters, like cheering on your favorite sports team.
My presentation was/is about ethnic nomenclature of Afrimericans and the legalities, and subsequintial matters relating to same. Afrimerican stands on it's own merits as claimed.
Anyone can claim any identifying term they like, anyone can reject Afrimerican or adopt it.
Just to show how moot the debate is, I've stated and given directions on how to prove that African-American legally defines a persons born in Africa, legal Statues in various federal agencies establishes such, based on that, why claim a legal identity not you.
(If you are African born it's you, if not,it's not)
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