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Michael B. Moore
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linkJohn McCain is usually the candidate getting heckled and interrupted on the trail, a product of his open town halls but also the more controversial aspects of his foreign policy. But on Friday it was Barack Obama who found himself being yelled at -- several times -- by African-American attendees who argued that he ignores "black" issues. In an appearance in St. Petersburg, Florida, the Illinois Democrat's address was interrupted when several young black males stood up, hoisted a banner that read, "What about the black community, Obama?" and began peppering the Senator for not focusing on their concerns. Obama told them they would have time to ask questions after the speech was over, and they did. They asked why he was not focusing on issues like the sub-prime mortgage crisis, Jena Six, Sean Bell and "the numerous attacks that are made against the African-American community." Obama responded twofold: telling the hecklers that he had, in fact, been focused on these issues and explaining that there would never be 100% continuity between his agenda and that of the voters. "Listen, I was a civil rights lawyer," Obama said. "I passed the first racial profiling legislation in Illinois. I passed some of the toughest death penalty reform legislation in Illinois. That doesn't mean I am always going to satisfy the way you want these issues framed... which gives you the option of voting for somebody else, it gives you the option of running for office yourself, those are all options. But the one thing I think is important is, that we are respectful towards each other." It is rare for Obama to be heckled in a political forum, but it's not terribly surprising that the protest came from a fellow African-American. Moments after he took the man's question, a nearby African-American woman yelled at Obama again. The Senator has trod a thin line on the racial components of this campaign. Witness the uproar over accusations -- made by John McCain's campaign manager Rick Davis -- that he played the race card. And his posture as a post-racial candidate has struck some as discourteous (see: Jesse Jackson). Still, the idea that Obama will get anything short of an overwhelming portion of the black vote seems far-fetched. Below is the full question and answer exchange: QUESTION: "In the face of the numerous attacks that are made against the African community or the black community, by the same U.S. government that you aspire to lead. We are talking about attacks like the sub-prime mortgage... that was a phenomenon that started in the African American and Latino community, attacks like the killing of Sean Bell... and the Jena Six... and on and on... in the face of all these attacks, why is it that you have not had the ability to speak to the interest and the behalf of the oppressed and exploited African-American community in this country?" OBAMA: "I think you are misinformed ... Every issue you talk of I did speak out about. I have been talking about predatory lending for the last two years in the U.S. Senate and worked to pass legislation to prevent it when I was in the state legislature. I have repeatedly said that many of the predatory loans that were made in the mortgage system did target the African American and Latino communities. "Jena Six, I was the first candidate to get out there and say this is wrong, that an injustice what had been done... When Sean Bell got shot I put out a statement saying immediately this is a problem... "Don't start shouting back, I'm just answering your question. On each of these issues I have spoken out. I may not have spoken out the way you have wanted me to speak out. Which is fine. I understand. On each of these issues you have mentioned I have spoken out and I have spoken out forcefully. Listen, I was a civil rights lawyer. I passed the first racial profiling legislation in Illinois. I passed some of the toughest death penalty reform legislation in Illinois. "That doesn't mean I am always going to satisfy the way you want these issues framed... which gives you the option of voting for somebody else, it gives you the option of running for office yourself, those are all options. But the one thing I think is important is, that we are respectful towards each other. And what is true is that the only way we are going to solve our problems in this country is if all of us come together, black white, Hispanic, Asian, Native American, young, old, disabled, gay, straight... that has got to be our agenda."
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NSpirit
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August 2, 2008 at 5:54 PM
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quote: "Listen, I was a civil rights lawyer," Obama said. "I passed the first racial profiling legislation in Illinois. I passed some of the toughest death penalty reform legislation in Illinois. That doesn't mean I am always going to satisfy the way you want these issues framed... which gives you the option of voting for somebody else, it gives you the option of running for office yourself, those are all options. But the one thing I think is important is, that we are respectful towards each other."
Did he just tell them the equivalent of "I did my part for blackness. what the hell else do you want? Do it your damn self or STFU"?  BamBam has ripped his drawz one might say
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Nmaginate
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August 2, 2008 at 6:12 PM
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Those brothers weren't exactly informed but this is bs coming from Obama: quote: When Sean Bell got shot I put out a statement saying immediately this is a problem...
Obama knows the biggest problem was what he had to say after the verdict was delivered. He had a line in his speech at LULAC where he praised what he accomplished with Black and Brown people in Chicago getting people to stand up to their government when it wasn't standing up for them but that's the very thing that he worked against after the Bell verdict stereotyping Black people as prone to riot totally disrespect Rev. Al who was leading the non-violent protests where, as Al said, "not a single rock was thrown." Obama went through the litany of things he had done or spoken on but he knows a lot of that stuff ain't nowhere close to being points of emphasis in his campaign even at Black stops. Dudes a politician. He knows he has to constantly tell voters "who he is" and what he's done but when he got off into all that personal responsibility rhetoric, a lot of that stuff got lost. I got the impression that Obama was a little scared of the brothers heckling him. ("Give the mike back..."). I never could make out anything they were saying when they were "disruptive." I do think Obama showed contempt for them and treated them in a way no one can convince he would treat someone who was White or any other race/ethnicity beside Black. I don't think I've ever heard a politician tell someone to vote for somebody else. Instead of using that as an opportunity to appeal to them the same way he's gone out his way to appeal to racist Whites and Jews who believe he's a Muslim and all this other stuff... Obama basically told those brothers he didn't want their vote.
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Nmaginate
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August 2, 2008 at 6:20 PM
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quote: That doesn't mean I am always going to satisfy the way you want these issues framed... which gives you the option of voting for somebody else, it gives you the option of running for office yourself, those are all options. But the one thing I think is important is, that we are respectful towards each other."
The Negro wasn't saying that sh*t when White folks were on his ass about Rev. Wright. And that's exactly the statement I was talking about. Nobody can tell me had he been heckled by a group of Hillary crusaders that he would have been so disrespectful (even if he felt disrespected or scared) and so dismissive completely giving them the signal to fuck off, here's your "options" so STFU when there really was no cause other than a "I'm might be Black but I'm not going to be that Black and "frame" the issues the way you like."
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listener
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August 2, 2008 at 6:55 PM
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did you see the video?
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Nmaginate
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August 2, 2008 at 7:28 PM
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quote: did you see the video?
Yes. I saw what they have posted at JackandJillPolitics.com
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EbonyRose
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August 2, 2008 at 8:09 PM
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Awww .. see now ... all y'all need to get off Brotha Bam Bam's back!  He's being as Black as he know how. 
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NSpirit
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August 2, 2008 at 9:29 PM
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quote: Originally posted by listener: here is the part where Obama answers the questions: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-Se6E4uZhs
i've never heard Obama stutter so much. maybe he's not use to "hecklers"?? he needs to be heckled a few more times to get back on message, i believe...
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Nmaginate
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August 2, 2008 at 9:36 PM
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He stutters a lot (in interviews, debates; unplanned remarks) but I never heard him get stuck in a loop like that before.
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Cocoa Starr
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August 2, 2008 at 11:37 PM
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That is a particular group called "Uhuru" out of Florida, that's what I heard.
But hey look, I would rather address those issues to President Obama than presumtive nominee Obama You know what I mean? Let's just back up off the brother and vote him into office THEN when he's in the position of authority and can make those decisions, then press him with the hard questions and issues.
We've done it for white folks who've never had our interests at heart.
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Nmaginate
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August 2, 2008 at 11:54 PM
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Here's the website: http://www.uhurunews.com/Given what's been posted before from this group, I almost take back everything I've said. I can see why Obama gave them "options" even though I still don't agree with him saying it.
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Nmaginate
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August 3, 2008 at 12:09 AM
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quote: Let's just back up off the brother and vote him into office THEN
That doesn't make sense. Plus Obama hasn't "backed off" trying to show "tough" love to Black folks. Obama goes before every other group and never tries that stuff and there wouldn't be a perception of Obama not addressing Black issues if he emphasized the specific policies and commitments he plans on making to issues important to African Americans just those in his Black platform alone would do, IMO.
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EbonyRose
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August 3, 2008 at 12:16 AM
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quote: Originally posted by negrospiritual: quote: Originally posted by listener: here is the part where Obama answers the questions: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-Se6E4uZhs
i've never heard Obama stutter so much. maybe he's not use to "hecklers"?? he needs to be heckled a few more times to get back on message, i believe...
I think having a Black-on-Black conversation, especially in public, was probably a little unnerving for him. I'm sure he wanted to (had to  ) choose his words very carefully.
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kresge
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August 3, 2008 at 6:00 AM
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quote: Originally posted by Nmaginate: quote: That doesn't mean I am always going to satisfy the way you want these issues framed... which gives you the option of voting for somebody else, it gives you the option of running for office yourself, those are all options. But the one thing I think is important is, that we are respectful towards each other."
The Negro wasn't saying that sh*t when White folks were on his ass about Rev. Wright. And that's exactly the statement I was talking about. Nobody can tell me had he been heckled by a group of Hillary crusaders that he would have been so disrespectful (even if he felt disrespected or scared) and so dismissive completely giving them the signal to fuck off, here's your "options" so STFU when there really was no cause other than a "I'm might be Black but I'm not going to be that Black and "frame" the issues the way you like."
That was the part that I found most interesting in his response, that he said that you can vote for somebody else. He is not going to say that to white folks, he is not going to say that to Latinos, or Asian Americans. The NRA, the Christian Coalition, Jewish Defense League,... "vote for someone else or run for office yourself." I bet he would not even say that to a rep from the John Birch Society. And no, BamBam does not get a pass. As I still live in TX, I am still almost certainly going to vote for him. But if BamBam does not get a walk. ASIDE: I would have loved to be in the green room or on the bus when Obama got off stage. Even better, imagine if he were miked and did not know it. I bet what came out of his mouth would have made Jesse's "faux pas" appear "school marmish." 
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listener
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August 3, 2008 at 6:29 AM
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I have the impression that he was overwhelmed by the white reaction to Rev. Wright. The way he reacted shows I think, that he wasn't prepared and that race will be much more an issue for white America that he seemed to believe?
Mainly since then he has turned 'Cosby'.
His 'you can vote for somebody else' is quite disrespectful, Black issues are American issues and police shootings and acquitted police is part of a corrupt justice system which affects entire America.
I also believe that he wouldn't react in that way with 'sit down' and 'give the mike back after your question' towards anybody non-Black.
But I found the reactions of the other people weird, mostly white? they signalized that they don't want to hear such questions and perhaps this made Obama quite nervous (I think he was)
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Cocoa Starr
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August 3, 2008 at 6:31 AM
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quote: Originally posted by Nmaginate: quote: Let's just back up off the brother and vote him into office THEN
That doesn't make sense. Plus Obama hasn't "backed off" trying to show "tough" love to Black folks. Obama goes before every other group and never tries that stuff and there wouldn't be a perception of Obama not addressing Black issues if he emphasized the specific policies and commitments he plans on making to issues important to African Americans just those in his Black platform alone would do, IMO.
The entire statement was: "Let's just back up off the brother and vote him into office THEN when he's in the position of authority and can make those decisions, then press him with the hard questions and issues." Of course it won't make sense if you take it out of context. I'm the type of woman, I'd rather build a brother up than to tear him down. So come November, even if I have to write him in, I'm voting for Barack Obama. We have a much better chance of getting at least some of what we want with him than with McCain. And the McCain strategy has been to try to discredit Obama in every venue where black america can see it. Which makes me want to vote for Obama even more.
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James Wesley Chester
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August 3, 2008 at 6:34 AM
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He's being as Black as he know how.---EbonyRose
I think having a Black-on-Black conversation, especially in public, was probably a little unnerving for him. I'm sure he wanted to (had to 19) choose his words very carefully.---EbonyRose
Senator Obama needs to be challenged...heckled if necessary.
I think you are right on both points.
I would rather have the task of educating him than having to take on the task of educating...yet another...European American who claims to 'not know'.
At least a (President) Obama would offer the possibility of being educated.
That hesitation is like to think his his brain processing and relating the challenge to his personal experiences and acquired information.
I remain committed...and expectant.
PEACE
Jim Chester
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MaynardJ
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August 3, 2008 at 8:08 AM
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You bunch of step-and-fetchit negroes are argueably the most pathetic creatures on this planet.
Basically anyone can say the following:
You dumb, ignorant, childish, black american negroes are the lowest forms of life on this planet. I'm glad that I'm not related to you sambo geeches in the least. That is why I do not treat you on an equal and respectible level that I do the Native Americans, Latinos, Asian Americans, and White Americans. You people are nothing to me and never will be. Now get your sorry black subhuman asses out on election day and vote for me.
And the typical american negro response to this is:
Yowsaaaaaaah Mister
You people are pathetic. Even the lowest form of non-human life has more self-respect for themselves than you fools.
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blaqfist
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August 3, 2008 at 10:00 AM
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We have talked about this before...
Barrack cannot turn into Farrakhan he would never get a single vote...
As black people unfortunalty, we need to scale back out expectations of what we think Obama is going to do in office...
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Nmaginate
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August 3, 2008 at 10:07 AM
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quote: I'm the type of woman, I'd rather build a brother up than to tear him down. So come November, even if I have to write him in, I'm voting for Barack Obama.
Cocoa, you're still not making sense. You don't see anybody here building up John McCain and talking about voting for him. And taking issue with stuff Barack does, does not say, "I'm not voting for him because of this." And the idea of waiting until Barack wins still doesn't make any sense. But perhaps you can explain what kind of transformation process you know for a fact will happen after January 2009.
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Nmaginate
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August 3, 2008 at 10:08 AM
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quote: As black people unfortunalty, we need to scale back out expectations of what we think Obama is going to do in office...
What expectations are those??
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blaqfist
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August 3, 2008 at 10:19 AM
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quote: Originally posted by Nmaginate:
[QUOTE]As black people unfortunalty, we need to scale back out expectations of what we think Obama is going to do in office...
What expectations are those??[/QUOTE Barrack was kinda' dismissive of the brothers.. Did you see the one dude in the suit snatch their banner away? I would have punched him in the face.. Barrack has just lost my vote.. I will sit this one out...
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Nmaginate
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August 3, 2008 at 11:02 AM
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quote: Barrack was kinda' dismissive of the brothers..
Did you see the one dude in the suit snatch their banner away?
I would have punched him in the face..
First, you didn't say anything about the expectations.... Second, as I stated, I couldn't tell what the Uhuru brothers were saying and, from the video clips I saw, I can't tell how long they were 'disruptive.' But you point out one thing that should have factored into Obama's response: the brothers were particularly compliant and did what Barack asked them to do and didn't beat the sh*t out of the guy who snatched their banner. I know we're talking about different venues but White folk were allowed to act a pure fool during the rules committee hearing.... Anyway, I just insist that Obama treat Black voters the same way he treats every other voting demographic. That's my expectation and I expect nothing less than that right now. What I find problematic even once you factor in how the Uhuru brothers had an agenda and didn't care if their claims weren't 100% true of Obama "not saying a word" about the Black issues they brought up... what I find problematic is: (1) These were young brothers who appeared to fall in the age group that Obama has broad support and more or less has sought to mobilize and increase their turnout (2a) Obama not being sensitive to the issues that impact why so many Black people aren't involved in the political process -- i.e. because they don't feel like politicians take their issues seriously (2b) Obama can understand and seek to appeal to them "bitter" White folks, even the ones who "don't know who he is" and don't know how his policies look after their interests (e.g. Whites who make less than 250K thinking Obama is going to raise their taxes just because McCain says so... no matter how many times Obama has said he was not and no matter how many times Obama's tax break scheme has been documented for them to see). (3) Obama not exactly being honest on the Sean Bell thing, e.g. Instead of doing what he celebrated in a speech to a Latino group -- encouraging people to stand up to their government when the government wasn't standing up for them -- Obama told Black people after the Sean Bell verdict to "accept" the verdict and don't respond with violence.
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EbonyRose
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August 3, 2008 at 11:28 AM
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quote: Originally posted by blaqfist:
As black people unfortunalty, we need to scale back out expectations of what we think Obama is going to do in office...
Be careful, blaqfist .... I suggested this very early on in this election ... and there are still people who won't talk to me anymore! 
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blaqfist
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August 3, 2008 at 1:18 PM
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I agree w/ you eb, but for different reasons I believe..
No black politician can come out and openly support all back causes..
You have to "play-ball" in order to get elected..
But for Obama to just shut those brothers down like that and dismiss their legitimate complaints as just the wild ramblings of black radicals is offensive as hell to me..
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EbonyRose
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August 3, 2008 at 2:01 PM
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quote: Originally posted by blaqfist:
I agree w/ you eb, but for different reasons I believe..
No black politician can come out and openly support all back causes..
You have to "play-ball" in order to get elected..
But for Obama to just shut those brothers down like that and dismiss their legitimate complaints as just the wild ramblings of black radicals is offensive as hell to me..
Well ... I think the real issue (and what has always been my question about him) is what the answer is to which one of these questions: Is Obama doing what he has to do (to get elected)? Or is Obama doing what Obama does (because that's just the way he does it)? 
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Nmaginate
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August 3, 2008 at 2:06 PM
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quote: But for Obama to just shut those brothers down like that and dismiss their legitimate complaints as just the wild ramblings of black radicals is offensive as hell to me..
Well, Obama called them "legitimate questions" but then told them they were misinformed which they were for the most part but the scenario has Obama's rightwing haters calling it staged because of how Obama was able to dismiss those brothers by saying, in essence, "I ain't that black" as Obama put himself in the shoes of White politicians talking about his record on civil rights instead of doing what he's done when other groups either asked him specifically what he'll do as president for their group or by invitation to speak to the group. Notice how Obama didn't talk about what he will do about any of those issues once he got into office. Along with stipulating to his (past) record, Obama clearly could have strengthened his point and treated the questions as legitimate by talking about the commitment his administration would have in terms of to those "legitimate questions" African-Americans have ((what is Obama going to do about Sean Bell type of incidents/verdicts??)) but instead he fell back into his Rodney King default and the "we're all in this together" rhetoric. Hmmm... Last time I checked, most of them folk who were yelling "Yes We Can" to try to drown out those brothers protest were not protesting the Sean Bell verdict and the marchers in the protest were all too black and Obama wasn't asking for tens of thousands of Whites who come to his campaign rallies to join hands in protesting the Sean Bell verdict.
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Nmaginate
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August 3, 2008 at 2:18 PM
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quote: I think the real issue... is what the answer is to which one of these questions: Is Obama doing what he has to do (to get elected)? Or is Obama doing what Obama does (because that's just the way he does it)?
The two may be one in the same, in some cases. But, when I think back to the tag team ambush Hillary and the later Tim Russert tried to pull with the Farrakhan test they put Obama to... I could tell that he was reluctant and didn't want to go there. To me, he did what Black people undoubtedly did a lot in the Jim Crow South (and North)... just gave in and followed the social custom no matter how much he didn't like it. But then, too, it was very possible for him to be philosophically against Farrakhan so denouncing and rejecting Farrakhan for Obama, personally, wasn't a big do. "So what? I'm not down with Farrakhan anyway." When you're honest though... You can see how he's doing what he feels he has to do to get elected. I don't have to like it and I damn sure don't have to agree with it but I can acknowledge the clear points when he's been able to voice how he's being held to a ridiculous double-standard we all know exists. He said as much when he broke with Trinity (i.e. as long as he stayed with the church he would be held responsible for anything anyone from the church or anyone speaking in the church says while no other candidate was subjected to that type of scrutiny). Even so, none of that eliminates cases when he goes over and beyond simply distancing himself... I've commented on how he doesn't have to "pathologize" blackness or Black people to do that. Also, it's true he had said some of the same things he said in his 2008 Father's Day speech before but his whole tone and, especially, his emphasis changed. So, I don't know if that constitutes "just the way he does things." I do know that that's the way he did it. And that's the only thing important to me from my vantage point. If he can't even try to change the racial landscape then I can't help but have a problem with what he does regardless of whether he's doing it to get elected or because that's just the way he is (which just so happen to be the way a lot of Black folks are).
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blaqfist
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August 3, 2008 at 5:13 PM
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i have a gut feeling that Barrak winning will be used against black people..
the whole "Barrack made it; why can't you" will be used to completly destroy the reparations movement imo...
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Wiz
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August 3, 2008 at 6:54 PM
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fuck them niggas. They ain't even thought about shit until Obama was running or they woulda showd up at Mccain's camp with that silly shit. Niggas that are not politically active on the local scene are not worthy of commenting on a national scene.
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Nmaginate
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August 3, 2008 at 7:13 PM
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quote: They ain't even thought about shit until Obama was running
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EbonyRose
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August 3, 2008 at 7:17 PM
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quote: Originally posted by Nmaginate:
So, I don't know if that constitutes "just the way he does things." I do know that that's the way he did it. And that's the only thing important to me from my vantage point. If he can't even try to change the racial landscape then I can't help but have a problem with what he does regardless of whether he's doing it to get elected or because that's just the way he is (which just so happen to be the way a lot of Black folks are).
Absolutely! 
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kresge
A1 · 4295 Forum Posts
August 3, 2008 at 8:03 PM
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quote: Originally posted by Wiz:
fuck them niggas. They ain't even thought about shit until Obama was running or they woulda showd up at Mccain's camp with that silly shit. Niggas that are not politically active on the local scene are not worthy of commenting on a national scene.
Perhaps you did not see the link to the Uhuru Movement website. Whether you agree or disagree with them, they are active in their community.  
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Nmaginate
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August 3, 2008 at 8:23 PM
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quote: Originally posted by kresge: Perhaps you did not see the link to the Uhuru Movement website. Whether you agree or disagree with them, they are active in their community.
Thank you. Wiz obviously edited his post adding the "not politically active" rhetoric after I posted laughing at his comedic (and ignorant) ch- timing.
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EbonyRose
A1 · 16570 Forum Posts
August 3, 2008 at 8:56 PM
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quote: Originally posted by Wiz:
fuck them niggas. They ain't even thought about shit until Obama was running or they woulda showd up at Mccain's camp with that silly shit. Niggas that are not politically active on the local scene are not worthy of commenting on a national scene.
WOW .... Put young brothas on full-blast for being politically active (at any level) AND interested in what a candidate is going to do to address issues of importance to the African American community??? What a hell of a concept. No wonder they hate the elders and think we're stupid. 
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NSpirit
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August 4, 2008 at 8:29 AM
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quote: Originally posted by kresge: quote: Originally posted by Wiz:
fuck them niggas. They ain't even thought about shit until Obama was running or they woulda showd up at Mccain's camp with that silly shit. Niggas that are not politically active on the local scene are not worthy of commenting on a national scene.
Perhaps you did not see the link to the Uhuru Movement website. Whether you agree or disagree with them, they are active in their community.
this group is especially vocal regarding the death of a 14 yr old black child at the hands of law enforcement in st. petersburg fl: The Death of Javon Dawson
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jazzdog
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August 4, 2008 at 9:29 AM
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The man is running for the President of the United States, not the "Black United States", this notion that somehow he is going to get involved in every issue important to membes of the African American people is just alittle out of touch with reality. This is an election year, would most people actually believe him if he gave his word that he would be involved in every issue even down to the grass roots level.....NERGO PLEASSSSE! No matter how much white folks may love him, if he turns his Campaign into a big Campaign to resolve all of black america ills, the closet he will get to the white house will be as a guest for dinner.
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NSpirit
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August 4, 2008 at 10:32 AM
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quote: Originally posted by Nmaginate: quote: Barrack was kinda' dismissive of the brothers..
Did you see the one dude in the suit snatch their banner away?
I would have punched him in the face..
First, you didn't say anything about the expectations.... Second, as I stated, I couldn't tell what the Uhuru brothers were saying and, from the video clips I saw, I can't tell how long they were 'disruptive.'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ul8gPo4zwofrom this video clip, it looks like it wasn't very long. They were loud but not disrespectful for what appears to be a few seconds before Obama said "hold on" and folks started chanting "yes we can!" but as D. Wyteman tapped for jury duty like to say "you can't tell everything that's going on just by the video" 
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NSpirit
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August 4, 2008 at 10:40 AM
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quote: Originally posted by jazzdog:
The man is running for the President of the United States, not the "Black United States", this notion that somehow he is going to get involved in every issue important to membes of the African American people is just alittle out of touch with reality. This is an election year, would most people actually believe him if he gave his word that he would be involved in every issue even down to the grass roots level.....NERGO PLEASSSSE! No matter how much white folks may love him, if he turns his Campaign into a big Campaign to resolve all of black america ills, the closet he will get to the white house will be as a guest for dinner.
Jazzdog, i find this line of thinking to be totally unrelated to whether Obama treats black constituents with dignity and respect. I am aware that some of his platform/agenda is beneficial toward african americans, however his public appearances as of late, seem to be either berating african americans for one reason or another, or patronizing them. The "he's not running for black america" line is played out and irrelevant. What is relevant is the way in which he interacts with AFrican Americans and lately he's been unimpressive in that aspect.
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