The MS plan has it's merits, but it has it's draw backs also. White people out number us by over 40 million people in America. If we try to move to one state and gain political hegemony, this move could easily be countered by them by moving more whites there. This is not a game we could win, because there are more whites in this country.

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The MS plan has it's merits, but it has it's draw backs also. White people out number us by over 40 million people in America. If we try to move to one state and gain political hegemony, this move could easily be countered by them by moving more whites there. This is not a game we could win, because there are more whites in this country.

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Does past behavior indicate that that might be a possibility? If anything, whites will leave - with the quickness! There are plenty of black cities to prove this out.

222, I think you are being naïve here. Don’t kid yourself or the Black Nation. White people are going to read right through this move. What we are talking about is a tactical move to gain political hegemony over an entire region of the US. Do you think they will passively let this happen? Don't you think they will at least try to counter this move?

Immortal Logic, thanx for those links. I have always had a hard time finding articles about this concept over the net. Tanzania has to be on the short list. Any country that is proactively recruiting the investment of AA, has to at least be studied. They do fit some of the criteria that I have listed, namely it has a coast (sea ports). I have actually studied the efficacy of numerous countries, and one really sticks out. Namibia. Namibia has numerous untapped resources, it’s land mass is very large and population very small. Namibia has a land mass larger then the state of California, with only 7% of the population of California.

Blaqfist:

I think you are right. The Europeans will try to counter this. What will they do? Move too?
They can't keep us out. The successful tactic in the past to change what we were doing has been violence. Intimidation. Night riders? Theaten our children in the schools? Teachers intimidating the parents through the children?

We've experience everything I can think of. The move will be person at a time, a family at a time. Moving in here and there. A town here a township there. The place will be the decision of the person, or family. Everyone isn't going to move. Those who need jobs will move when opportunity affords.

The transformation may take a generation. Maybe two. Maybe more. Look at Atlanta, and what's happening all over the South. Ultimately, the pendelum swing of the Northern Migration will begin its return swing, if it hasn't already.

You spoke of population versus land as an attractive feature. Take a good look at Mississippi.

Looking for a "swing" State. Consider South Carolina. For that matter Rhode Island. And have you thought about Arizona. A strategic distribution of 35 million people could change the political landscape of the nation. There are more than close to a dozen States with only one member in the House of Representatives and two Senators. Quick look: Delaware, Rhode Island Conneticutt, surprise, surprise Vermont, New Hampshire, Montana, wyoming, South Dakota, North Dakota, maybe Utah. States that are (probably) easy to swing: Arkansas, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Kansas, Idaho, Nevada, New Mexico.

If we start moving around everybody gets nervous. The safety measure thus far has been the lack of a coordinated will in African America.

As the old saying goes, "A few little bit of us goes a long way." Particularly in our United States.

Take heart.

PEACE

Jim Chester

You are who you say you are. Your children are who you say you are.

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Looking for a "swing" State. Consider South Carolina. For that matter Rhode Island. And have you thought about Arizona. A strategic distribution of 35 million people could change the political landscape of the nation. There are more than close to a dozen States with only one member in the House of Representatives and two Senators. Quick look: Delaware, Rhode Island Conneticutt, surprise, surprise Vermont, New Hampshire, Montana, wyoming, South Dakota, North Dakota, maybe Utah. States that are (probably) easy to swing: Arkansas, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Kansas, Idaho, Nevada, New Mexico.

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Iowa?

There are currently efforts under way to increase Iowa's population:

http://www.governor.state.ia.us/news/2000/september/September25._2.html

http://web.grinnell.edu/sandb/archives/volume117/092200/opinion/vilsack.html

Aparently, iowa is losing about 12,000 people every year due to internal migration (net migration of people from iowa to other states) while only partially making up for that loss of population by an international migration level of about 7,000 per year.

http://www.npg.org/states/ia/ia_stats.htm

http://www.areaconnect.com/population.htm?s=IA

Iowa Black Population Map: (By County)

www.iowaworkforce.org/lmi/publications/affirm/maps/blackmap2000aa.pdf

"La vida te da sorpresas...
Sorpresas te da la vida...",
¡Ay, Dios!

Rubén Blades---Pedro Navaja

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The Nuclear Resister
School of the Americas Watch

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Originally posted by James Wesley Chester:

Looking for a "swing" State. Consider South Carolina. For that matter Rhode Island. And have you thought about Arizona. A strategic distribution of 35 million people could change the political landscape of the nation. There are more than close to a dozen States with only one member in the House of Representatives and two Senators. Quick look: Delaware, Rhode Island Conneticutt, surprise, surprise Vermont, New Hampshire, Montana, wyoming, South Dakota, North Dakota, maybe Utah. States that are (probably) easy to swing: Arkansas, Nebraska, _Iowa_, Minnesota, Kansas, Idaho, Nevada, New Mexico.

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Iowa?

There are currently efforts under way to increase Iowa's population:

http://www.governor.state.ia.us/news/2000/september/September25._2.html

http://web.grinnell.edu/sandb/archives/volume117/092200/opinion/vilsack.html

Aparently, iowa is losing about 12,000 people every year due to internal migration (net migration of people from iowa to other states) while only partially making up for that loss of population by an international migration level of about 7,000 per year.

http://www.npg.org/states/ia/ia_stats.htm

http://www.areaconnect.com/population.htm?s=IA

Iowa Black Population Map: (By County)

http://www.iowaworkforce.org/lmi/publications/affirm/maps/blackmap2000aa.pdf

"La vida te da sorpresas...
Sorpresas te da la vida...",
¡Ay, Dios!

Rubén Blades---Pedro Navaja

http://www.plowsharesactions.org/
http://www.nonviolence.org/nukeresister/
http://www.soaw.org/

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Maybe African Americans can change the flow.

You are who you say you are. Your children are who you say you are.

I believe that if we ever try repatriation in this country, we can then call ourselves Africanalestinians. This will never work in my view. Moving from state to state is just that.

Blaq Fist! I was just reading up on Namibia as a possible place to live on sunday, Madagascar is another choice for me. It's about the size of the west coast, only has about 16 mil. people, it is often said that the people are the friendliest on earth, And currently 1 U.S. dollar is worth 7,300 Malagasy francs,so development should be quite easy. But there are alot of places to resettle,and we'd have to cause again,unless we're talking reclaiming N. Africa there are too many of us for any one country, and that's not even considering our peoples in the carrib., S. America, and Europe. Malawi, Tanzania, Mozambique, Lesotho, Namibia, Ghana, Angola, etc. it's all good.

Here's a link from the c.i.a I find very helpful and informative when I'm looking up African countries, from political climate, to currency exchange, population etc.

c.i.a. world facts

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I have given this considerable thought, but much more should be done. I am no expert, these are just the cursory opinions of an average citizen. But the region of southern African has numerous benifits. Western Africa and eastern Africa have more people in it. Namibia, Botswana , Zambia, and Angola are huge, but they have relatively small populations compared against the total land area of their country. Angola, while 2X the size of Texas, has less then half the population of Texas. Angola is floating on untapped oil reserves. Other under utilized natural resources include: diamonds, iron ore, phosphates, copper, feldspar, gold, bauxite, uranium. I really don't think more then 5 million African Americans would be willing to repatriate, and that is an overly optimistic figure. But the invitation is open to the entire diaspora, as it should be.

I have also done intital prospectives on some countires in the western hemishpere. Namely Belize and Haiti.

[This message was edited by blaqfist on January 16, 2004 at 02:25 PM.]

Reperations is an intresting concept, but you know weas a people need to learn to reperate ourselves. Time and time again through out the history of this country there have been promises made and have been broken time and time again. It is time for the our people to start looking internal not external for the soultion to this problem. MAny of us hear all the time about how mush spending power that our people have what we should do is start building up the communities in which we live to reach the goals taht we as a people trying to accomplish. Reperations yes but we should reperate oursselves and stop trying to get it from the outside. once we do this I think then and only then we will have the power to make demands.

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Reperations is an intresting concept, but you know weas a people need to learn to reperate ourselves.

I believe you missed something. This thread is about REPATRIATION (as in reclaiming African citizenship) not Reparations. Nevertheless, REPATRIATION would be a form of self-reparations in the broadest sense of the word.

I don't know why (because you haven't stated why) you would say we should "stop trying to get it from the outside." No one has presented Reparations as a "solution to our problems." Reparations is about reparations. No more. No less.

What's the problem with seeking reparations the same way other groups have sought redress/restitution/reparations?