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JONAS...
SILLY RABBIT! ............... Tricks Are For KIDS!! I eat that kind of bullshiit (you're speaking) FOR BREAKFAST!! As in ... I break that bull UP/DOWN FAST!!! Like it's an unconscious exercise utilizing very little energy... YOU ARE ALL SO VERY......... TRANSPARENT!!! Jonas... If you're not the fighting type then what are you saying one of your board members can lead you anywhere??? Silly Rabbit! Don't you know you whole board poses themselves as some type of Crusaders?? Even after your INVASION I have not felt like it was necessary for me to "fight" with people on your board... I could care less... I'M NOT SO INSECURE THAT I THINK THAT OTHERS HAVE TO THINK LIKE ME to the extent that I would gather up a posse and go to another board playin' games.... I say playing games because I doubt if any of you said anything about, "Hey, my member Jiang posted on here... can I join in..." NO. You all jumped in like ya'll were the A-Team or somebody and got whooped like the F-Squad... JONAS... You are every bit of a Silly Rabbit! Wanna tell me what Dr. King stood for again??? I thought NOT! Silly TRANSPARENT Rabbit!!!! |
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D4 |
quote: By your logic then you shouldn't be commenting either. I doubt that you were there nor do you know the people that were involved. As such I posted my opinion, unless you are wanting to deprive me of my freedom of speech and freedom of expression? |
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quote: Ahh yes the race card again. You just can't stand it when I agree with you so you have to attack me based on race. You are a person and I am a person, thus we are the same as we have the same genetic structure. I stated my opinion, unless of course you are wanting to deprive me of my right to express myself and right to speak freely? |
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D4 |
quote: The Constitution along with all of its Amendments is equal to everyone. There would be no need to call for a Constitutional Convention, unless of course you want all the people in power to further strip the common person's rights away. |
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CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION .... so that ALL people besides just rich, White MALES have input into exactly what this country is all about NOW and FOREVER!
Yes.. You are Mr. Freedom of Speech aren't you! lol.... except for when someone uses it against you! AKA - RicardoMATH ... {whimper} "What you did was wrong!"  ... Man... that was funny!  ...and... What about the guy on your board that said that talking about a "New Civil War" was stupid (or whatever)... In the interest of Freedom of SPeech??? WHY??? Why did you call for/ demand an apology from him and call his critique "unwarranted"... HYPOCRITE!! (BTW... I fully acknowledge that I don't know all that goes into the Admission process... That's why I said... NO ONE!! Are you HARD-Of-LEARNING???) |
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Patriot...
You can speak freely. But don't be so presumptuous as to say what the "ONLY WAY" is or what there is "NO NEED" for... You can't possibly think that you are the container of all human possibilities and creativities!! Your concept of what is and what should be are NOT the limits of my or anyone elses conceptions... Frankly... I know I think far outside of your 'box'. Don't you ever cry about race/racism/the "race card" (being used against you) when, AGAIN, it was you telling me I was being racist or HATEful when you first started posting on this forum... Sorry, but you are not made out of shatter-proof glass on this issue - blaming falsely or otherwise - no matter how much you like to say or pretend you ARE........ HYPOCRITE!! Free Speech my ARSE!!! Oh!... and... QUIT TRYING TO PLAY THE VICTIM!! |
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People like Patriot are funny,
After all the things that have been done/still being done on the basis of race to establish as many societal inequities as possible, we are all of a sudden just supposed to stop acknowledging the key issue that has made our social experience in this country different from anyone else's? What is wrong with them? Do they really believe the BS they say or are they just talking to us based on their white-supremacy-based preconceived notions of how stupid WE are? Are they talking the way they are as a way of assuring themselves that those notions are true?......someone please tell me cuz "it ain't registering"............. |
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A1 |
quote: I have to agree with MBM here. Your forum has now been down for more than 24 hours.  Get some better software!  "La vida te da sorpresas... Plowshares Actions |
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quote: Considering that no country in the history of the world was set up half as well as the United States of America, I'll take those rich white guys over the people. And really, the people did approve these rich-whitey documents, it's not like they were imposed dictatorally. If you really hate it so much, there are ways to change it. You may want to try some of them  I swear, by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for another man, nor ask another to live for mine. |
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Founder |
quote: Heard of Brown vs. Board of Education? The Civil Rights Act?  |
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Tasmanian Angel |
Alsadius,
As it happens, my response to your answers actually covers both of them! Which is good, 'cause maybe I can keep this condensed! First of all, I can understand your reasoning, but the truth of the matter is, you cannot separate race from any American equation, because it is woven into the fabric of this society ... and always has been. In the beginning, race defined who was American and who wasn't. It determined who was human and who wasn't. Based on race, one man could be own another man. The color of one's skin, as thin and superficial as it is, has factored itself so tightly into everyday life in this country, that you can't ignore it or say that it doesn't exist. Just by looking at me, the first thing you have to see is that I'm a Black woman. Now you might not care about that, but that doesn't mean it's not a factor. And so race has to be dealt with, in one way or another. A colorblind society (though a beautiful dream) can never be achieved. But, let's take away race as a factor for a moment, and talk about merit. Merit can only work if there is fair and equal opportunity to compete. So, okay, you have no races, and are now just left with a group of Americans. Fair and equal ... except that there is still the issue of discrimination. Discrimination cancels out fair and equal and thus, makes merit a relatively moot point. For example, let's say that you have a group of people who are 6' tall and over. They are the first Americans. They founded this country, made all the rules, got it off the ground and running. But America is also comprised of people shorter than that. And the 6 footers use that to differentiate themselves as Americans. So they disenfranchise and discriminate against those that were 5' anything. Since the inception of this country, if you were short, you did not have the equal opportunity to go to school, own a business, own land, vote, or anything that Americans are supposed to be able to do. Now, today, 5'8 people are saying, "Okay, we are just as smart and innovative and responsible as you 6' people. We are Americans, too. We would like to go to school, vote, have all the rights that you have. And the tall people have said "Okay." But they have had 400 years of building, maintaining, passing down their wealth and success. They fling open all the doors that the short people have asked for, and say, "It's all even, compete with me!" Well, can things really be even at that point? And how so? Now, GWB did not get into Yale based on academic merit. Nor did he graduate anywhere near the top of his class. Again, he got admitted because of who he is and who he knew. Now, even on that, fair competition is null and void because, at the time this "irrational preferentialism," as you call it, all started, my grandfather and father were barred by law from being able to go to most if not all colleges with GWB's grandfather and father. So there is no "legacy" for me to be able to use to gain admittance to a prestigious college the way old George did. And why? Because my granddaddy and daddy are Black. It was not an issue of two Americans being able to compete for enrollment based on merit. But one type of American was totally, by sanction of the government, barred from any such enrollment. So therefore, no legacy was available to be passed down to me. Actions such as this in every aspect of society (economic, education, society, politics) has been prominent since the inception of this nation. So, decisions based on race can never go away. Because it is part of what has brought us where we are today, as a country, and part of the way we live everyday. It is what American is. And you can't not deal with it. That would be like pulling a thread in the fabric. It will unravel the makeup and design of the whole piece. |
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quote: MBM, please tell me if i misunderstand you? Are you using Brown vs. Topeka Board of Education and the Civil Rights Act to justify AA? |
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Founder |
quote: I was responding to what I understood to be a challenge to utilize the systems and processes available to U.S. citizens to enact change. I listed those two (one judicial and one legislative) as examples of that. |
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quote: Should it always be woven into society? And I don't think race was the definition, unless you're denying the accuracy of Patriot's black slaveowners, free black citizens, and other examples. I don't agree with everything he says, but that seems to be true. It just so happened that the most convenient source of slaves was Africa, and Africans tend to have black skin. It wasn't racist, it was pragmatic. I'm not saying that racism never existed, but it seems to have been an aside to slavery(and a serious thing that happened afterwards), but not a prerequitiste to slavery. quote: Why can't it be acheived? Are you saying that humans are inherently racist or something? I see it as a goal that should be acheived almost overnight(compared to how long racism has lasted, at least), not a hopeless dream. Have a BIT of optimism about the world, please. Yes, and that discrimination ended in every official capacity before you were born(well not necessarily, but it was before the majority of society, and the vast majority of people on webforums, were born). If you look at how many people(of all races) have brought themselves up from nothing in one generation, one must ask why you can't do it as well. quote: Yes, they can. Money has an impact, but nowhere near the impact you'd like to attribute to it. The majority of the ultra-rich in America are almost totally self-made, often from next to nothing. And if you think I've gotten a cent from more than one generation back(i.e., my parents), you're dreaming. I haven't even gotten very much from them, I'm largely putting myself through school, essay contests are good things . quote: I have yet to see proof, or even evidence, that GWB didn't get in on academic merit. He may not have been at the top of his class, but he graduated from both undergrad and grad, implying that there's something up there. And 99.9% of those who go to university get in on merit, so if you can't it's probably your own damn fault(no that that's a bad thing, only maybe 30% of people do, but don't complain that you can't because sons of minor congressmaen are taking up your spots). quote: You seemed to be saying that the Constitution sucked. If that's the case, try to get it amended. I think everyone here agrees with those judicial and legislative actions, but that didn't seem to be what you were asking for. I swear, by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for another man, nor ask another to live for mine. |
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Alsadius,
Your post seems to indicate that black people are the ones who choose to and want to view the world by race...go figure......you need to change the staunch racists of this country...they did not invent diversity and racial conciliation...they invented and institutionalized the opposite of it based on race.........and yes W was a C student...he even told some kids that you could be a C student and president...go figure again.....and as so far as denying money as an aspect of importance in america....please...this country has had slaves and started wars for the sake of making money....how much more of a priority can you make money? Do you really think Cheny and Co. have learned to turn both prisons and wars into profitable entities by chance? Come on now....... |
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....profitable entities at OUR CHILDREN'S EXPENSE, while THEY DANCE TO THE BANK!!! BLACK MEN STAY OUT OF THESE PRISONS!! Why are WE DYING in HIS WARS????????? To come back and still be called NIGGERS and be seen LESS THAN HUMAN??????? We've ALLLLLLLLLL LOST OUR MINDS!!!!!!!!!
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Ok, my reply....
quote: This will require you to look at the school itself. For some schools like Stanfurd, getting in the is the hardest part. Most of the people in class get an A, and it is very rare to even drop down into a C. At these grade inflated places, one does not actually have to work hard to graduate. They only have to show up. I pisses me off to think that I'll be working my arse off the next year, while they grade the class on a strict bell-shaved curve with the average centered around 75-80%, while those in that junior university across the bay get to have it easy. Once you're in, they don't easily kick you out as long as you try. No academic talent is necessary. |
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quote:How does that jive with your statement about how hard you will have to work in comparison to the J.U. across the Bay?? NOT - at - ALL! Are you saying YOU have no academic talent? I think not... I know I didn't go to any elite school and no one cared even there whether I sank or swam... That was all up to me. The professors in large lecture halls definitely could care less. The first year if not the first two are in fact the hardest and are by no means a cake walk "since you're already in"... Why do you insist on making silly statements?? |
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quote: Nope, you're not making sense. (at all) The hardest part is getting in; and you were spared the hard part. Oh, yeah, I hope you're clear on what I mean by the "junior university." Think. |
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jiang,
I am having a hard time figuring out what you are saying here. "La vida te da sorpresas... Plowshares Actions |
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