quote:

Originally posted by father x:
The above statement can be understood best by
having knowledge about the difference between
Civilization and primitive people
which is a topic in it self no doubt you have
been Educated in the American system

Where were you educated, father x? Da skreets? I mean, come on man, I got eye strain looking for a period, a comma, the establishment of a new paragraph as you transitioned from one point to the next. Why the hell are you so preoccupied with homosexuality anyway? Maybe you need to start your own Church of God in Christ or Pentacostal ministry in some storefront strip mall. But that totalitarian, afro-elitist, authoritarian, Jim Jones garbage you've been pumping ain't working here.

Being miss-educated is not something to be ashamed
Of many black people think they can go to a white
Created school college or university and send their
Children to the same.
An come out for the better the don't understand that
The only thing they will get is separated from their
Own people the words you use and are so proud of
Cannot be understood by the average man on the street
Who is black like you.
But usually people who like you have been educated
Always think that the one who cannot afford to be miss-
Educated by white America should do everything in
Their power to get the same brain adjustment.
Otherwise they can't separate from other dumb black
People in the ghetto and move in the upper white
Areas of their cities and earn a higher income of
The white dollar which will allow them to be accepted
By the same white people.
You do not understand the fact that you have been
Miss-educated you think it is an asset but in truth it is
Your biggest liability
I wrote the post and gave well documented references
To back up what I wrote
But in your mind you are to pre-occupied with the
Imaginary problem of so-called young black minds
Having a problem with what I wrote in some distant
Future instead of reading the post looking at the truth
Investigating the truth knowing truth and remembering
The truth.

I'm a self educated man watching out for
for the Miss-Educated blacks in America
If there is any future post by me you
see don't read it. Just look for
The name Father X.
I found some on this forum that has not
suffered the effects of mind bending
and they always thank me for what was
written.
Carter G. Woodson said it took him 20
years to get over his education.
See The Miss-Education of the Negro.

I diden't know what to think I communicate
with hundreds of people across America
weekly, and the only people that have had
A problem with what I wrote about homo-
sexual behavior is punks.

So, let ME ask you sir (Father 'X,')...is homosexuality latent in YOU?

(and before you answer, may I suggest that you look the word up or, consort w/some other confidant concerning this matter, as it has become apparent to ME that from your own words, you probably don't know what the word means and is also the reason that I'VE suggested that you NOT endeavor yourself to EVER 'speak' to MY Children any longer cause you lack the fundamental skills.......and someone like ME would NEVER allow you to address (what's MINES,) without foundation.)

THIS AIN'T NO GAME........X.

Fold your table and leave or, try again.


Ankh Ujah Seneb


THE ROARIN ONE.......

And there ain't BUT ONE of ME-------

One problem that black people have
In America that have been educated
Is in order for anyone to give them
Truth one must get past their
Miss-Education first
Once again don't read the post.

quote:

Originally posted by father x:
That is usally said by whites to
side step the blame for homosexual
behavior

~But WHO or WHAT is to blame, Father X? That is the question. Homosexual behavior? Do you think that it is learned, or that it is inherent? Do you think some chromosomes and hormones and "wires" can get crossed during the procreation process? It happens. We're all familiar with the devastation of "abnormalities", or rather, the "uncommon". I was just reading --- maybe it was a link provided here at this site, I'm not sure, as I surf all over the place --- but, I was reading of a couple of tragic incidences where the fathers of very young boys (toddler, and 7 yrs. old) were severely beaten/killed because they displayed "behavior" akin to homosexuality. A picture was even shown of one of them and he did indeed have the face of a girl. Clearly this is through no fault of the child, right? Behavior is going to occur "naturally" for them the same as it does for anybody else. There isn't actual WORK being put into teaching a girl to behave like a girl and a boy like a boy. Much of it is natural progression that we take for granted and THINK that we've taught it, imo. Sure, influence of others (authority figures and peers)takes a part, but not to the extent that we give it credit. A child with a knack for the piano, or a great singing voice, or a genius IQ --- didn't get TAUGHT these things. These things were in the genes, brought about naturally via those "wires". These children clearly should be allowed to actually "grow up", right? So should children displaying a "wiring" for homosexuality. It's not their fault. And when they grow up, as with any heterosexual: SEX IS A PRIVATE MATTER BETWEEN TWO CONSENTING ADULTS, AND THEIR GOD (belief system). 'Has nothing at all to do with you. Judge not lest ye be judged. Are you perfect in your God's eyes?~

quote:

Originally posted by father x:
Homosexuality where did it come from?

Homosexually is a product of civilization. It is probably latent in all
Human beings and would very likely not show itself were there no
Segregation of the sexes.
The habit once formed in youth often becomes fixed, and is very
Erroneously believed to exist only among cultured individuals
Probably because it was so rampant in ancient Greece and Roam.

Plato in his Symposium (Pausanius) speaks of love of grown men
For boys as if it was a common thing.

Some of the Roman rulers as Julius Caesar, Nero, and Tiberius were
Notorious in this respect. Homosexuality is now common in India,
China, Java, and Islamic North Africa. Homosexuality is
Undoubtedly one of Natures expedient for checking population
Growth while not withholding pleasure.

Germany, England, France, and the United States, especially the first
Three have a large number of homosexuals, many of whom are artists,
Writers, singers, preachers, musicians, and idle sons and daughters of
The rich.

Germany has long been known for its homosexuality. In 1927 and 1908
There was a terrific scandal of this kind at the Kaisers court involving
Prince Phillip Eulenburg, counts Hohenhau and Lynar and others. "Real
Gods of war," were then revealed and caressing and giving sweet names
To each other."

Hitler, too, had a number of sex perverts in his entourage. Among them
Was his bosom friend, Roehm, whose killing and that of others in the
Blood-purge of 1935, he justified by accusing them of this, charging that
They had been surprised in bed with male prostitutes.

Hitler, himself, if one believes several of his most intimate friends as well
As one of his doctors, is, or was a homosexual. Earlier, too, Hitler had
Created a scandal by the arrest and imprisonment of a number of Catholic
Priest charged with the vice.

The few black men who lived in Berlin were always being pursued by the
Aryan homosexuals.

In native Africa there is very little or no homosexuality though cunnilinguis
And other forms of perversion have been introduced there by the Europeans.

This list of names were found of well known Homosexuals

Jour. Of Dermatology and urinary Diseases, Jan., 1904

Some of the worlds most well known men and women have perverts.
Michael Angelo, Techaikowsky, Duquesnoy, and Rosa Bonheur
Shakespeare, Marlowe, Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar,
Christina of Sweden, and Sappho,
Six of the popes were sodomites.
Henry III of France, Pope Leo X le Grand Conde, Catherine the Great
Madame de Malntenon, James I of England, and Archbishop Jean
De La Casa.
Some are bisexual as Julius Caesar . and Shakespeare had three children



Conclusion

I recommend the following books and authors

Sex and race by J.A. Rogers
Sex variants by Dr. George W. Henry

I've posted this up before, but here it is again...

Here some more thoughts about God and life I write you so diligently on. This one I put some thought into and research as well on this issue of Homosexuality and the afterlife. I know many people will not agree with me on this due to their beliefs and that is fine, but this is my conclusion on this whole "controversial matter". Among most religions Homosexuality is frown upon and even in the Bible such as stated in, Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." That message there is pretty clear and harsh as well, depending on how one interprets it in regards to Homosexuality. But wait; let's keep in mind when the Bible like most religious scriptures was written. For the word Homosexual did not always mean "a sexual attraction between those of the same sex". Words such as Gay use to mean "happy" and did not have that connotation of Homosexuality until the mid-twentieth century. The Swastika use to be a Jainism symbol of peace until Nazi-Germany took it and used it as their national symbol. For the earliest documented cases of Homosexuality back then is what we know now is pederasty "relationship between adults and pre-pubescent children". When the Jews were under captivity of the Greeks and later on the Romans, they more likely observed the acts of the Greek and Roman men sleeping with young boys and seen this as an abomination. For it is true when they say in Leviticus 18:22 - "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable." in regards to pederasty.

Is the Homosexuality what we see today an evolutionary step from what it was back then? Well Homosexuals obviously do not sleep with little boys or girls. I don't see that as being apart of Evolution at all, for once again, what can you gain from it? However, at least they are with some one of the same species and it's a mutual consent between two adults. For it only takes a male and female to produce an offspring, for there is no potential in two of the same sexes sleeping with one another to make a child. Even if it was a test tube baby, you still need the contributions between a male and female to make a child.

Now I am not saying we should turn Homo, no for I am rather happy with being on "team Heterosexual". But for those who are Homosexual I do not personally see any reason why they should be teased about their lifestyle or condemned to an after life of torment. From my observations, I have come across those who were Homosexual either because they were born that way as they felt or some traumatic incident in their life such as being molested at a young age "turned them out", but that doesn't happen to all victims of child molestation though. I don't see any thing wrong with these people, if they feel that this is right for them, then let it be. But for those who feel that particular lifestyle is not right for them, well they know how to make the choice to change that. I would say that for some one who is Bi-Sexual, one has to think to themselves, are they really "Bi-Sexual"? You may like both sexes, but in the end if you do plan to marry or be with one person you can't have both in the end. In the end, it is God who will be the one to judge who is "righteous" and who is "wicked".

It seems these days, that it is rather those who are discriminate against those who are different misuse religion to justify their prejudices. If a person is willing to change their ways, they will do so by self-choice, not force. God is excepting of all who only want God in their lives. To judge people on their sexual preferences is just as wrong as judging some one on their skin color. That is like saying some one who is Black or Mexican will go to hell because they are not White. It is all on the belief, giving yourself to God and your intentions in life as well that matter.

Schapera, L. Married life in an African Tribe, p.183. 1941.
Depravity of savages most often arises from the influence
Of civilized people, who immigrate among them and
Systematically introduce immorality and debauchery.
It is the white colonists who appropriate the women of
Savage races and train them in the worst forms of
Prostitution..."Sir John Harris in "Dawn in Darkest Africa,"
Mentions similar conditions in the Belgian Congo.

Interracial homosexuality probably goes back to Ancient
Greece and Rome and may be traced here and there through
European his-story.

As for God, the Bible, and religion as we know it today
In America is a different subject because of the cover-up,
Distortions, False statements, and non existent his-stoical
Documentation, projected on the world and passed on as
The final truth on all matters of life must be viewed with
One's own cultural understanding first.

Based on what I know about the subject
is missing some parts that will not be
posted because most of it will not be
truely understood but I can refer you
to The Reptilian Agenda by Credo Mutawah
and David Ike
Also the works of Dr, Frances C. Welsing
The Isis papers
As far as being born homosexual is not
supported by me I think it comes about
during child upbringing we must realize
that black people in America are in contact
with a race of people who have a his-story
of that kind of behavior.

Schapera, L. Married life in an African Tribe, p.183. 1941.
Depravity of savages most often arises from the influence
Of civilized people, who immigrate among them and
Systematically introduce immorality and debauchery.
It is the white colonists who appropriate the women of
Savage races and train them in the worst forms of
Prostitution..."Sir John Harris in "Dawn in Darkest Africa,"
Mentions similar conditions in the Belgian Congo.

Interracial homosexuality probably goes back to Ancient
Greece and Rome and may be traced here and there through
European his-story.

As for God, the Bible, and religion as we know it today
In America is a different subject because of the cover-up,
Distortions, False statements, and non existent his-stoical
Documentation, projected on the world and passed on as
The final truth on all matters of life must be viewed with
One's own cultural understanding first.

I was about to put you on blast, father x, but neither you nor your cause is worth it. Whatever achievements you've accomplished as a result of your skool of hard knocks pedigree I can asure you the vast majority of negroes out there are not. Young stupid negroes like you come up thinking they can hustle their way to the top. But at the other end of their journey, when their joints ache and their body is tired from hustling all their lives, they look at uppity negroes like me that did the hard work early in life and are reaping the benefits later on in life and they feel left out, betrayed.

No one should be ashamed of being born into a predicament of poverty but when you allow yourself to be controled by poverty and ignorance - when you embrace ignorance and stupidity as part of your culture thereby manifesting a false pride, then that is definately something to be ashamed of. It may say in the bible the poor shall always be with us but so many of them don't have to be black, particularly, when there are so many opportunities to escape the ghetto right at a negro's fingertips.

One thing I motherfucking hate is when an ignorant ass negro gets hypersensitive when you critisize them for the poverty stricken condition they continue to perpetuate. They don't want you to say shit about them but when they want something for free they sure as hell know how to run to us to beg and complain. Fuck that shit. I broke my motherfucking back to get where I am, matriculating through two white universities and two HBCU's, and I'll be damned if I let ANYBODY put me in the place of being embarrassed of my accomplishments as well as the fruits of my labor, especially when some fool like you is walking around beating his chest about being "mis-educated" like it's some kind of badge of honor. Fucking ridiculous. The fuck is wrong with our community when a scholar can be made to feel ashamed of his or her abilities and accomplishments while some common ass project pat can run around beating his chest about surviving in the streets - doing what any human being would do, survive, if put in the same predicament. Ain't nothing fucking valiant or honorable about that shit.

The bottom line here is you're preaching your sermon about homosexuality like you're some kind of avant garde spiritual leader when people of various cultures have been preaching their gospel of heterosexuality, anti-heterosexuality, anti-marital sexuality, bi-sexuality, homosexuality, lesbianism and everything else under the sun for centuries. There's nothing new under the sun and you're wasting your time thinking you can provide a new spin on an ancient subject that was long dead and buried.

Wow! Man this thing has really got you upset
Don't let it get you like that I ain't mad
At you we need every soldier we can get
This thing is real I know I can't reach every
Blackman and Blackwoman in America but I don't
Plan to stop until i'm stopped.
There are more post coming you may or may not
Agree with what I have to say, many people
Across America don't like the message and many
Do and they buy and read the books I recommend
And that is enough for me
Mr. Burnett if I can get two or three people
In some towns to start thinking different then
This campaign is worth it.

quote:

Originally posted by father x:
Wow! Man this thing has really got you upset
Don't let it get you like that I ain't mad
At you we need every soldier we can get
This thing is real I know I can't reach every
Blackman and Blackwoman in America but I don't
Plan to stop until i'm stopped.
There are more post coming you may or may not
Agree with what I have to say, many people
Across America don't like the message and many
Do and they buy and read the books I recommend
And that is enough for me
Mr. Burnett if I can get two or three people
In some towns to start thinking different then
This campaign is worth it.

Here's a news flash for you, Methuzela: If you'd pissed me off my cybernetic foot would be so far up your ass you could read the IP address on my achilles tendon.

Here's another news flash for you: People of sound mind and body already know how to formulate their own opinions of various aspects of society. They don't need any help from you. Of course the only ones that would need your kind of snake oiled spiritual guidance would be the mindless idiots, the repenting hoes, senile, gullible senior citizens, semi-reformed drug addicts and dealers, and other hopeless pariahs that would give a jack-legged preacher their last dime. You can have those suckers.

Mr Burnett your attitude is in contrast to
Your education the plain truth is
You know you have another races
Mind set. Now I don't mean to be insulting
To you because I'm a better man than that
As for the foot up somewhere,
It is two things I learned from the men
Who trained me.
Number one you never threaten another man
The rule is if you do you can't kill him
Rule number two
You never let a man know what you are
Thinking.
If you do the rule is you can't kill him
But always remember Mr. Burnett when a man
Is in the water with a shark the man splashes,
Shouts, and scream sometimes the shark will
Go away but sometimes he won't go away.

Go try your Jedi mind tricks on oshun auset or kaliqua.

quote:

Originally posted by Kocolicious:
Homosexuality is also found in certain ANIMALS. And as we all know animals do not have cognitive ability....their survival is based strictly on instinct. So....now what? Do they also have mental illness? Impossible! I am not here to explain homosexuality....only to say that it is not solely a human base sexual activity.

First of all animal sexuality and human sexuality are not the same.

But let us return to the question of evolution. If evolutionary theory is based upon the random adaptations that occur and then become fixed over a period of time because they enable the survival of creatures in specific environmental context then why does homosexuality continue to exist from an evolutionary perspective?

Male & Male biologically are not compatible from a design standpoint both in terms of sexual activity and reproductive organs.

So then if it is genetic we must recognize that it is an aberration of evolution, as it is not an adaptation that leads to species survival. If it is not then when recognize that social and cultural factors lead to homosexual behavior. Or maybe it is a combination of both.

The problems becomes this, when the topic seeks to be talked about in a direct fashion it becomes distorted and distilled into the political discussion that is going on.

And that is what happens the political
bog down

quote:

Originally posted by urbansun:

First of all animal sexuality and human sexuality are not the same.

But let us return to the question of evolution. If evolutionary theory is based upon the random adaptations that occur and then become fixed over a period of time because they enable the survival of creatures in specific environmental context then why does homosexuality continue to exist from an evolutionary perspective?

Male & Male biologically are not compatible from a design standpoint both in terms of sexual activity and reproductive organs.

So then if it is genetic we must recognize that it is an aberration of evolution, as it is not an adaptation that leads to species survival. If it is not then when recognize that social and cultural factors lead to homosexual behavior. Or maybe it is a combination of both.

The problems becomes this, when the topic seeks to be talked about in a direct fashion it becomes distorted and distilled into the political discussion that is going on.

See. This is exact and straight to the point and also lends itself to the area in the evolutionary process specifically studied in animals entitled 'natural selection' (also found innate in hue-mans,) in reproductive concerns.

The female picks and chooses with 'whom' she will mate (or not.) Weaker 'suitors' are usually automatically rejected as candidates, as only the strongest are 'chosen' to ensure that the species will survive.

Hard to battle against 'natural law.'


Excellent observation's URBANSUN.......


ROARIN.........