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This skit is not about black women and black men
It is about one black woman and one black man About ONE relationship where maybe just maybe the woman was at fault... And you know what? Some of us men can identify... |
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This video also highlights the NON-reality of a lot of people's lives male or female... sure, work and aspire and toward making a nice home, driving a nice car, etc. but for some people that vision might be out of reach.... at the core of it all is the relationship - not the material goodies - that is most important and needs a tad more focus. If that guy can afford nice clothes, two houses AND child maintenance, then he's one lucky guy and HE shouldn't be complaining either
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I didn't see a "blame game" being played out... I saw a mini-drama where a brother voiced some frustrations that I myself have felt...
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Something New Is Really Someting Old It's ok though. I usually don't get myself involved in gender-bashing debates like these because they're pointless, really. In the end, our entire societal structure is the blame for why so many Black families are wrought with problems in comparison to families who represent America's mainstream. Nothing is going to get solved, however, by using other races as social refuge. That whole "I'm going to get me a White woman/man" is so played out to me. |
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Tasmanian Angel |
It didn't seem like he was complaining to me ... seemed like he was defending himself!  BLACK by NATURE, PROUD by CHOICE. Before there was ANY history, there was BLACK history. |
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Tasmanian Angel |
Okay, so, Rowe ... just out of curiosity ...
Are you saying that a broken Black family is more desireable than happy interracial one? For the daughter, that is. I mean, in that circumstance, should the parents raise the child in single-parent atmosphere (if they can't find Black mates) rather than the stability of an interracial relationship? Hypothethically speaking, of course. BLACK by NATURE, PROUD by CHOICE. Before there was ANY history, there was BLACK history. |
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I'm saying, from moving our kids out of public schools to mass migration out of urban communities to boycotting Black-owned businesses, Black people have demonstrated a pattern of community neglect, a tendency to run away from community issues rather than dealing with them head on. Seemingly, our solution to every malady plaguing our communities has been to get the heck of out dodge instead of saying to one another: Let's develop a systematic, workable solution to end these problems in our communities, for good. Dude in the video is punk because rather than dealing with the issues plaguing his marriage, AS EXPECTED, he sought out a fling with a White woman who merely serves as a scapegoat to the problems in his marriage, and that is no way to start a new relationship. I wouldn't want to date any man, Black or White, who is merely dating me because he's on the rebound from his wife. Get your shit together at home first, then maybe we can consider beginning a new relationship. And the White woman riding in his car is a nasty hoar because she sits in the car and sees his wife in broad daylight and sees the man is still married, but foolishly remains in his car anyway while grinning the entire time. But what's so damn funny? The fact that you're coming in between a couple who is clearly in trouble? Or the fact that you're too damn stupid to see the man is using you as a "good time break" from the realities of marriage? Let us know when you figure it out. So both of these individuals have proven to have no integrity. I'm saying, dude is not making intelligent and wise decisions in terms of how he handles conflict in his marriage, and that's probably why his wife has problems with his ass already. And finally, I'm saying that if more men, if more people in general, would simply take seriously the complaints that people are making, rather than chalking these complaints up as "generalized anger against the Black man," then maybe we can get somewhere.
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Repeat:
So are you telling us that we're ALL sorry weak azz niggas? And no matter what, we're to blame? In EVERY single situation? |
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Tasmanian Angel |
Okey dokey.
 BLACK by NATURE, PROUD by CHOICE. Before there was ANY history, there was BLACK history. |
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D2 |
Go ahead Rowe, tell us how you really feel... . . "Sure, the Son will forgive you; yet it is the Father who will judge..." |
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I understood what 'Huey' was saying: blaming a black person for being black, no matter what the situation, even when there is no guilt to be assigned. I teach, and hear stories of my white colleagues making all sorts of mistakes in their classes, but nary a complaint from the students,white black or other; when I or another black teacher does something intentional or otherwise incorrectly, it is highlighted as a 'black error';a teacher recently told her class that she has 9 cats at home; and that her husband told her,that all these cats in the house and a wife, and I still am not getting that much pu--y! I was told the class laughed; I have made comments (political;race issues etc.) that were nowhere near as 'racy' or inappropriate, and was reported to the dean/ and or'reprimanded' by some 18-19 year old student. In the example I just gave, nothing happened. At any rate, with regards to the 'skit'; the man WAS gorgeous!; the black women were incredibly gorgeous (in case no one noticed); and the 'white woman' appears to be a latin woman, not that it matters. And, of course there are black women who create misery and unhappiness; but they do that to everyone, I've met them; and such venom is not only directed to black men, but to all whom they have dealings with. But, that such behavior is labeled as 'black' or 'black woman' behavior, underlines the point I think 'Huey' was asserting. Certainly cultural behavior is a part of this dialogue, but other racial groups of women have their specifically cultural ways of 'acting out' their unhappiness and aggression; they are just not lambasted for it in the same manner; one, because their status in the U.S is different, and two, they are not the scapegoats for their respective communities. Their 'behavior' is simply trumped up to 'that time of the month; or just a woman thing; or a 'rich girl thing'; or 'she's a b--tch; when it's a black woman, it's because 'she's a black woman'; ergo the remedy, blame these dynamics on the race, eschewing the social backdrop or individual personalities of the individual black woman. First of all, why would you bring your 'new' white woman to your 'ex's' house? Height of disrespect. True, the man in this scenario is free to do as he pleases; but he would have to know that that would bring drama. And that speech he gives in the door way now that, was tired; more like commentary on the sad state of affairs between black men and women after the Civil Rights Movement/integration. I get what the director/writer is saying, but, the sweeping generalization it makes was too simplistic to be taken seriously or wholly appreciated..... by me. Why couldn't the problem between this couple, be the problem of people no longer in love with one another; as opposed to an ingrate black woman? There's the rub. I undertand however, that that was not the writers intent; but was perhaps an excuse to 'explain' why the black man 'has left the building'. I am in agreement with 'Rowe's' critical analysis. |
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I do NOT buy this black women bearing the blame for everything BS. In every venue that I've ever seen where black men (the few there were) had the audacity to complain about women they're immediately shouted down by black women (as in this Forum).... The only medium where the male voice is unchallenged is hip hop music - which very rarely speaks for me nowadays....
One again, my perception as an educated black man is that those like myself have NO voice whatsoever in this culture.... And the discourse seems to be dominated by females who have no problem whatsoever completely disowning any responsibility in the current state of affairs... No matter what the occasion or the discussion there will be a hundred apologists for the black female... I think it reflects the old adage that "history is written from the perspective of the victors"... And this is one way in which the black man is losing the 'battle of the sexes' and paying for his lack of education vis-a-vis black women: the black woman is insulating herself from any criticism and winning the cultural debate by sheer force of numbers and access to 'respectable' media... although it's not exactly clear what "victory" means here... it is clear, to me anyway, that the discourse is out of balance... So I'll repost once more
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The topic could be having 5 kids by five different men and there will be 100 apologists for the black woman rationalizing her behavior...
The topic could be man sharing and there will be 100 apologists for the black woman... The topic could be "Why in the world am I single and these ex-convict brothas seem to have no trouble finding women?" and there will be 100 apologists for the black woman... People say in regard to this issue with a completely straight face "You can't blame a woman for wanting to feel protected." This ish is getting tired... <--------------- A Tired Black Man |
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Phoenix Rising |
  Beautiful Rowe.... Beautiful Rowe..... Peace, Virtue Peace, Khalliqa "The Goddess emerges as the evanescence of the inferior dissipates.... " |
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B2 |
I also agree with Rowe.....
This black man, mentioned that his new woman.........'balanced' his life.  Instead of stablizing his life.......he looked to this (new) woman, to do it for him. That in itself, will cause failure.Also......it was interesting to hear him speak of all he has paid for.........the house, the car, furnture, as if his wife did nothing! Money here was not the issue.....and this in it self, doesnt make you a strong black man. To me, hes an emotional reck.........and no matter who he has as a wife/girl friend........he will have issues. (Case and point......his judgement is poor. Why bring your girl friend, to your ex wifes home?.........does he have a pattern of this type of behavior? Also its obvious, that they discussed IR relationships, prior to this happening.) As far as his wife......we cant say that she was perfect, without fault. But i can say this.........society doesnt allow black men OR black women to become TIRED. No matter how much he money he makes, or gain in life........he will always be a black man, making less, and working more. If hes tired now.......hes going to be in big trouble later!!! ```````````````````````` "Dipped in chocolate, bronzed with elegance, enameled with grace, toasted with beauty. "My Lord, she is a Black woman!" -Yosef Ben-Jochannan |
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HB -
I know it's tough because you've articulated your principal issue with the turn this thread has taken and no lady has acknowledged it. Sometimes, you have to take the beating to get your point out there. Keep your chin up brother! When people are hurting, it's tough to see someone elses pain. I think an honest look at the issues behind the growing divide between Black men & women would do us all some good. Some of the problems are the result of bad decisions, but some are the direct result of manipulation. Sadly, we don't always recognize the puppet strings on our backs... ------------------------------ R.I.F. (Reading IS Fundamental)... "There are five dangerous faults which may affect a general: (1) Recklessness, which leads to destruction; (2) cowardice, which leads to capture; (3) a hasty temper, which can be provoked by insults; (4) a delicacy of honor which is sensitive to shame; (5) over-solicitude for his men, which exposes him to worry and trouble." -Sun Tzu |
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Thanks for proving my point ya'll
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