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A1 |
I contend that it is not enough to love black women. We must also love one another (of course, I'm not speaking of romantic love).
Brothas of AA.org, I love you.  Even when we've disagreed, I've often understood where you're coming from. Because I've been there myself. |
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B2 |
Thank you, honest brother! I love you, man!
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A1 |
Felix, man, I love you more.  And congratulations on finally getting married! Seems like not too long ago you were singing the "Black Love" Blues. |
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A1 |
Wow! it's kool to see my brothas expressing care for one another!
 When we speak we are afraid our words will not be heard or welcomed. But when we are silent, we are still afraid. So it is better to speak Audre Lord |
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Tasmanian Angel |
Okay, I wasn't gonna ... but I just have to ask ...
Is this "love" unconditional??  In other words ... does would it apply to someone like ... oh ... let's say ... Romulus Burnett too?  BLACK by NATURE, PROUD by CHOICE. Before there was ANY history, there was BLACK history. |
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A1 |
Ebony, just curious
Why did you put "" around LOVE? I think it is possible to love Romulus in a brotherly/mankind/spiritual sense without having to like what is spewing forth from his mouth/keyboard. He is afterall, a black man, and that makes him precious within africanamerica. When we speak we are afraid our words will not be heard or welcomed. But when we are silent, we are still afraid. So it is better to speak Audre Lord |
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Tasmanian Angel |
Well, actually, NS ....
I only put the quotes around "love" because it was the centerpiece of HB's post. As to your further thought/explanation, though .... I wonder if you (and HB) are not more generous than I am about this.  When I thought about it, although I have said a hundred times that I "love Black men", I clearly don't like what Romulus says (and by extension, his online persona) and I certainly wouldn't say I have "love" for that/him. Further, that "love" does not extend to all Black men, i.e., I don't have love for Black men who beat or otherwise abuse or demean Black women ... nor those who would callously take human life or are otherwise harmful to the Black community. And, thus, with the hatefulness and venom which Romulus has consistently spread on this board ... when I say I "love Black men", honestly, he is not included!  He is not the kind of "brotha" for which I have pride, and, in fact, I find him an embarrassment to all that I hold dear in a Black man ... he's the kind that gives real, good Black brothas a bad name. The kind that others like to hold up as the Poster Boy for Black manhood ... because his negativity makes for good press or the obligatory "See, that's what I'm talking about" when it comes to finding ways to look down upon us.  So, my "love" in that respect (though said in a general, overall manner) is quite conditional. But, that's just me! And, I wondered if HonestBrother felt the same ... or not. Which is why I asked. BLACK by NATURE, PROUD by CHOICE. Before there was ANY history, there was BLACK history. |
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A1 |
Well, RM wouldn't accept love like this from a man anyway.. He has labeled it as 'gay' in the past.
Egungun, Egungun ni t'aiye ati jo! Ancestos, Ancestors come to earth and dance! "I'm sick of the war and the civilization that created it. Let's look to our dreams, and the magical; to the creations of the so-called primitive peoples for new inspirations." - Jaques Vache and Andre Breton "Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone." -John Maynard "You know that in our country there were even matriarchal societies where women were the most important element. On the Bijagos islands they had queens. They were not queens because they were the daughters of kings. They had queens succeeding queens. The religious leaders were women too..." -- Amilcar Cabral, Return to the Source, 1973    |
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Tasmanian Angel |
I don't think he has received love in any form in a very long time ... which is why he is filled with so much hate. BLACK by NATURE, PROUD by CHOICE. Before there was ANY history, there was BLACK history. |
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Phoenix Rising |
This is the last time I will lend energy to this guy but... I don't know... remember when Romulus came to the board as "Ironhorse"???? Many members thought he was "gay" because he had as his avatar a picture of his naked rear.... What brother posts a picture of his anal cavity as his AVATAR????? errrybody was like he is so a gay..... that coupled with his disrespect of women and overinflated proselytizing of his prowess.... sounds like someone overcompensating ..... watch him, he can't help himself: He can't stop disrespecting women... and he can't stop marketing himself.... You have to treat him like a mentally retarded person with turrets... it's a little mean to engage him but he's so unrealistic you just do every now and then.... but its best to ignore him until he can run into someone that will get him some real help.... I hadn't thought about him being a white person until I just read Fab and Koko's posts... I suppose that's possible, he is over the top and overly aggressive and doesn't seem to familiar with basic knowledge of black people.... and white men are known for the hatred of women, over aggression and gay tendencies... maybe... Michael banned him twice already.... He started as Ironhorse then morphed into someone else... and now he's back.... just take him with a grain of salt...... Peace, Khalliqa "The Goddess emerges as the evanescence of the inferior dissipates.... " |
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Vanguard |
I think it would help to differentiate between Black men... and boys playing at being men. People aren't born with self control. It must be learned.
 Ubuntu - I am what I am, because of who we all are. "Peace is not merely the absence of tension, it is the presence of justice." - MLK www.PersonalSafetyInstitute.org |
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A1 |
Romulus is not black at all, he's made too many comments that give him away. As y'all know there are white men who consider themselves experts on black culture simply because they've spent time with black folk or they've been around black folk, but some things simply cannot be faked. . .
Some things are general knowledge among black folk, period. Romulus lacks this basic general knowledge (in some areas of black culture). Not to mention his total lack of compassion or regard for the plight of our youth. This is all. . . in my opinion, of course. |
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A1 |
There were a few moments that screamed 'angry white boy' to me too...Egungun, Egungun ni t'aiye ati jo! Ancestos, Ancestors come to earth and dance! "I'm sick of the war and the civilization that created it. Let's look to our dreams, and the magical; to the creations of the so-called primitive peoples for new inspirations." - Jaques Vache and Andre Breton "Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone." -John Maynard "You know that in our country there were even matriarchal societies where women were the most important element. On the Bijagos islands they had queens. They were not queens because they were the daughters of kings. They had queens succeeding queens. The religious leaders were women too..." -- Amilcar Cabral, Return to the Source, 1973 |
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The Watcher |
I love the brothers here. I love them enough to accept a divergent POV or communication style they may hold without questioning their ethnicity or sexual orientation. I love the brothers enough to scold them in private and praise them in public. I love the brothers enough to appreciate their passion & tenacity even if it comes out "different".
It's not trite or propaganda, but I love y'all. Why else would I spend so much time around here. 
------------------------------ R.I.F. (Reading IS Fundamental)... "There are five dangerous faults which may affect a general: (1) Recklessness, which leads to destruction; (2) cowardice, which leads to capture; (3) a hasty temper, which can be provoked by insults; (4) a delicacy of honor which is sensitive to shame; (5) over-solicitude for his men, which exposes him to worry and trouble." -Sun Tzu |
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A1 |
 Exactly. . . Some white men (in my cyber experience) attempt to give credibility to their often times negative, demeaning & belittling commentary toward black folk (especially blk women) by stating they, too, are black. Somehow, if we accept them as 'black' (in their minds) this makes them a credible source so they can spew their racial hatred (comfortably)without being labeled for what they TRULY are. Cuz of course if THEY are one of us, they would 'know' what they're talking about, right? .... or so they'd like us to believe. Anyway. . . those are my thoughts on the infamous Romulus [gag & puke] |
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A1 |
[self criticism]Although I do stand by the legitimacy of the comments I made(and those observations by others), I would like to apologize, particularly to HB for any part I had in taking as positive a thread as 'brotherly love' and turning it into a criticism. The criticisms of said poster were deserved, but I do not think this thread was the correct place for me to do them. I should have addressed him in the threads he has poisoned already[/self criticism].
Egungun, Egungun ni t'aiye ati jo! Ancestos, Ancestors come to earth and dance! "I'm sick of the war and the civilization that created it. Let's look to our dreams, and the magical; to the creations of the so-called primitive peoples for new inspirations." - Jaques Vache and Andre Breton "Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone." -John Maynard "You know that in our country there were even matriarchal societies where women were the most important element. On the Bijagos islands they had queens. They were not queens because they were the daughters of kings. They had queens succeeding queens. The religious leaders were women too..." -- Amilcar Cabral, Return to the Source, 1973 |
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Tasmanian Angel |
You know, OA ... I was thinking the same thing a little earlier this morning!
I hate that I brought negativity into a perfectly good thread ... but, I really did want to know the answer to my question .. I tried not to ask it for 2 days, and simply just lost the battle. However, I do wonder whether the issue of whether we should truly love and embrace the negative among us (such as gansta rap, the criminal element in our communities, and others who do us more harm than good) is a good thing or a bad thing? Are we enabling the negative element when we do that? Does such a thing promote making us a part of the problem or is it something we need to do to work towards a solution? While arguably "love" is a good thing ... giving it unconditionally is not always beneficial. I believe there should be limits. That doesn't mean I'm right of course! But, comments from others may help me figure that out! BLACK by NATURE, PROUD by CHOICE. Before there was ANY history, there was BLACK history. |
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The Watcher |
Do you love yourself?
When you have been wrong, were you shunned, abandoned and written off? Have you ever reflected and realized someone loved/protected/looked out for you with no direct gain for themselves? Loving someone does not mean turning a blind eye to their faults. It means nurturing them not for what they are now, but for what they can become. A healed community is much stronger & focused than one filled with walking wounded. We better love & heal ourselves. No other could or should care more than us. ------------------------------ R.I.F. (Reading IS Fundamental)... "There are five dangerous faults which may affect a general: (1) Recklessness, which leads to destruction; (2) cowardice, which leads to capture; (3) a hasty temper, which can be provoked by insults; (4) a delicacy of honor which is sensitive to shame; (5) over-solicitude for his men, which exposes him to worry and trouble." -Sun Tzu |
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Phoenix Rising |
You cannot love injustice... nor can I love the injustices that men do.... nor can I love the personality that revels in wreaking such havoc...
However I can have HOPE for change... and work towards the change... and support those who wish to change... when we love everything without discrimination, we begin to lose our sense of justice.. and victims of those who commit injustices get persecuted rather than the offendors themselves.... Salaa... Peace, Khalliqa "The Goddess emerges as the evanescence of the inferior dissipates.... " |
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Tasmanian Angel |
But that doesn't really answer my inquiry, ddouble!
Let's make it a little more specific: The Black neighborhood crack dealer ... do we love and embrace him for his deadly/destructive contribution to the community? BLACK by NATURE, PROUD by CHOICE. Before there was ANY history, there was BLACK history. |
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