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Originally posted by Dissident:
I'm going to say something that will ruffle the feathers of some: If these brothers I see out here who chase after white and hispanic women would put as much effort and care into marrying, building, and raising children with black women as they do with other women, half the problems that afflict black people would be rectified.

Hmmm..... I don't know about all that...

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Originally posted by Dissident:
I'm going to say something that will ruffle the feathers of some: If these brothers I see out here who chase after white and hispanic women would put as much effort and care into marrying, building, and raising children with black women as they do with other women, half the problems that afflict black people would be rectified.

Actually, if we black men put more effort into "marrying, building (families) and raising children with black women" instead of just impregnating black women, THAT would alleviate some of the problems of the black family. Illegitimacy is the bigger problem threatening the family than mixed relations. There's a big difference between a father and a baby's daddy.

Why do I care about Black Men who love Latin Women?

I care about Black Men who Love Black Women.

What other people's kids (and mama's and daddies) are doing, is of no concern to me.

Huey, I do agree with you....and Dissident, I agree with you as well.

I love when Black Men STAND UP!....

....and some of ya'll don't need to get nasty with that either....dirty minds...

LOL...

"WIAW!"

Originally posted by Huey:

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Actually, if we black men put more effort into "marrying, building (families) and raising children with black women" instead of just impregnating black women, THAT would alleviate some of the problems of the black family. Illegitimacy is the bigger problem threatening the family than mixed relations. There's a big difference between a father and a baby's daddy.

I knew there was somethin' dynamic I liked about you Brotha Huey(I'm usually good about things like this)....I just couldn't put my finger on what it was....now I know

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Originally posted by Huey:

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Originally posted by Dissident:
I'm going to say something that will ruffle the feathers of some: If these brothers I see out here who chase after white and hispanic women would put as much effort and care into marrying, building, and raising children with black women as they do with other women, half the problems that afflict black people would be rectified.

Actually, if we black men put more effort into "marrying, building (families) and raising children with black women" instead of just impregnating black women, THAT would alleviate some of the problems of the black family. Illegitimacy is the bigger problem threatening the family than mixed relations. There's a big difference between a father and a baby's daddy.

You missed the point. This all corresponds with irresponsible brothers that have children out of wedlock with black women while never once attempting to marry the woman he planted his seed with. HOWEVER, it's just as disgusting when these very same black men that abandon black women and his illegitimate children somehow finds a way to vicariously fulfill all the civil husband and fatherly obligations with white women he should have reciprocated toward the black woman and his children. I know what I see, and I see atrocious double standards with brothers who go IR. Yes they do go beyond the call of duty to make their trophy shine.

Funny thing I noticed about brothers who go IR have a habit of telling all their business in detail why they like or dislike particular race of woman, especially to people who are willing to listen to them. If you're a black man you know what I'm talking about so don't front and say it isn't so. And when you point out asinine fallacies in their beliefs, selective amnesia becomes a choice of convenience. Nothing short of denial. Which reminds me of this character who worked in my department. Never a day went by without this fool uttering some negative, ignorant connotations in reference to black women - plum dumb shit - but certainly had praise for white women. A white woman could do no wrong in his mind. If memory serves me correctly he had a kid out of wedlock (rarely talked about her) with a black woman and never attempted to marry her or take care of his daughters financial obligations. But sure enough he found a way every month to drop his rent money on some Italian broad that wound up playing him.

Bottom line is this, if brothers choose to go IR or choose to be some white womans bitch that's their business. But if a Black man or woman fail to make the initial effort to marry each another, fail to support the children they procreate out of wedlock (while perpetuating their inner self-hatred toward each other and their children), yet can work twice as hard to indemnify a solid family relationship with white, Asian or any other race of people other than people who look like themselves, then I must say Black folk who fall into this classification need to be cracked upside the head and called out on front street.

I spoke my peace,

R.

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Originally posted by Dissident:

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Originally posted by Huey:

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Originally posted by Dissident:
I'm going to say something that will ruffle the feathers of some: If these brothers I see out here who chase after white and hispanic women would put as much effort and care into marrying, building, and raising children with black women as they do with other women, half the problems that afflict black people would be rectified.

Actually, if we black men put more effort into "marrying, building (families) and raising children with black women" instead of just impregnating black women, THAT would alleviate some of the problems of the black family. Illegitimacy is the bigger problem threatening the family than mixed relations. There's a big difference between a father and a baby's daddy.

You missed the point. How in the hell did I miss the point? This all corresponds with irresponsible brothers that have children out of wedlock with black women while never once attempting to marry the woman he planted his seed with. HOWEVER, it's just as disgusting when these very same black men that abandon black women and his illegitimate children somehow finds a way to vicariously fulfill all the civil husband and fatherly obligations with white women he should have reciprocated toward the black woman and his children. I know what I see, and I see atrocious double standards with brothers who go IR. Yes they do go beyond the call of duty to make their trophy shine.

Funny thing I noticed about brothers who go IR have a habit of telling all their business in detail why they like or dislike particular race of woman, especially to people who are willing to listen to them. If you're a black man you know what I'm talking about so don't front and say it isn't so. And when you point out asinine fallacies in their beliefs, selective amnesia becomes a choice of convenience. Nothing short of denial. Which reminds me of this character who worked in my department. Never a day went by without this fool uttering some negative, ignorant connotations in reference to black women - plum dumb shit - but certainly had praise for white women. A white woman could do no wrong in his mind. If memory serves me correctly he had a kid out of wedlock (rarely talked about her) with a black woman and never attempted to marry her or take care of his daughters financial obligations. But sure enough he found a way every month to drop his rent money on some Italian broad that wound up playing him.

Bottom line is this, if brothers choose to go IR or choose to be some white womans bitch that's their business. But if a Black man or woman fail to make the initial effort to marry each another, fail to support the children they procreate out of wedlock (while perpetuating their inner self-hatred toward each other and their children), yet can work twice as hard to indemnify a solid family relationship with white, Asian or any other race of people other than people who look like themselves, then I must say Black folk who fall into this classification need to be cracked upside the head and called out on front street.

I spoke my peace,

R.

Congratulations, you made your peace. Now I'll make mine...I didn't miss the point, I was right on target. What are you mad at me for? I bolded the part in agreement with you.

We pretty much said the same thing; you added more words.

There's not a baby mama/daddy on the face of this earth, that can justify calling a black man or woman a sellout for having a non-black spouse, yet they're being responsible...then turn around and have the unmitigated gall to justify themselves neglecting their children and either putting off or flat out refusing to marry their babies' mamas/daddies. They're the reasons why Maury Povich and Jerry Springer are still on TV.

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Originally posted by Huey:
We pretty much said the same thing;

You and Dissident are saying the same thing?

Dissident:

"HOWEVER, it's just as disgusting when these very same black men that abandon black women and his illegitimate children somehow finds a way to vicariously fulfill all the civil husband and fatherly obligations with white women he should have reciprocated toward the black woman and his children. I know what I see, and I see atrocious double standards with brothers who go IR. Yes they do go beyond the call of duty to make their trophy shine. "


Huey, Where did you say THAT?

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Originally posted by Khalliqa:

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Originally posted by Huey:
We pretty much said the same thing;

You and Dissident are saying the same thing?

Dissident:

"HOWEVER, it's just as disgusting when these very same black men that abandon black women and his illegitimate children somehow finds a way to vicariously fulfill all the civil husband and fatherly obligations with white women he should have reciprocated toward the black woman and his children. I know what I see, and I see atrocious double standards with brothers who go IR. Yes they do go beyond the call of duty to make their trophy shine. "


Huey, Where did you say THAT?

READ the first post that I typed. "Actually, if we black men put more effort into 'marrying building (families) and raising children with black women' instead of impregnating black women, THAT would alleviate some of the problems fo the black family. Illegitimacy is the bigger problem threatening the family than mixed relations."

Although Dissident added the part about the baby daddy working his butt off marrying his white wife and making sure that his new wife and his kid(s) are supported, we pretty much said the same thing, that if these black baby daddies had married their baby mamas, instead of knocking them up and abandoning them, the family would be intact. And if the baby daddy is already married to his baby's mama, he wouldn't feel obligated to marry another woman, white or not, the next time he sired a child in this world.

Marinate your mind on that, please.

Happy Easter, everybody.

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Originally posted by Huey:

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Originally posted by Khalliqa:

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Originally posted by Huey:
We pretty much said the same thing;

You and Dissident are saying the same thing?

Dissident:

"HOWEVER, it's just as disgusting when these very same black men that abandon black women and his illegitimate children somehow finds a way to vicariously fulfill all the civil husband and fatherly obligations with white women he should have reciprocated toward the black woman and his children. I know what I see, and I see atrocious double standards with brothers who go IR. Yes they do go beyond the call of duty to make their trophy shine. "


Huey, Where did you say THAT?

READ the first post that I typed. "Actually, if we black men put more effort into 'marrying building (families) and raising children with black women' instead of impregnating black women, THAT would alleviate some of the problems fo the black family. Illegitimacy is the bigger problem threatening the family than mixed relations."

Although Dissident added the part about the baby daddy working his butt off marrying his white wife and making sure that his new wife and his kid(s) are supported, we pretty much said the same thing, that if these black baby daddies had married their baby mamas, instead of knocking them up and abandoning them, the family would be intact. And if the baby daddy is already married to his baby's mama, he wouldn't feel obligated to marry another woman, white or not, the next time he sired a child in this world.

Marinate your mind on that, please.

Happy Easter, everybody.

Oh... I read your post... the majority of which focused only on deadbeat dads.... this was your point.. Dissident's post acknowledged briefly deadbeat dads.. but went on to spend the next 98% of his post tying that in with IR... I see now that you took one sentence of his and dismissed his point and everything else....

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Originally posted by Huey:
That topic is so ignorant of the past. I bet those folks don't even know (or care) that 95% of the African slaves brought to the Western Hemisphere went to the Caribbean and Latin America.

Somebody's parents are in denial.

I don't 'get' this comment. The 'latin' women being referenced here are obviously not Afro-Latinos. It's obviousley an inter-racial issue and not one of intra-racial micro-nationalism. White and Amerindian 'latinos'(and their parental attitudes) are what's being discussed. Afro-Latino parents could care less if their children marry an African from Amerikkka because we are the same folk racially.(at least that's been my experience/observation). There are those of lighter complexions who freak out on the coulorist level though(if the mate is too dark/phenotypically African)... But that ignorance is prevalent in the U.S. too.

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Originally posted by Khalliqa:

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Originally posted by Huey:

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Originally posted by Khalliqa:

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Originally posted by Huey:
We pretty much said the same thing;

You and Dissident are saying the same thing?

Dissident:

"HOWEVER, it's just as disgusting when these very same black men that abandon black women and his illegitimate children somehow finds a way to vicariously fulfill all the civil husband and fatherly obligations with white women he should have reciprocated toward the black woman and his children. I know what I see, and I see atrocious double standards with brothers who go IR. Yes they do go beyond the call of duty to make their trophy shine. "


Huey, Where did you say THAT?

READ the first post that I typed. "Actually, if we black men put more effort into 'marrying building (families) and raising children with black women' instead of impregnating black women, THAT would alleviate some of the problems fo the black family. Illegitimacy is the bigger problem threatening the family than mixed relations."

Although Dissident added the part about the baby daddy working his butt off marrying his white wife and making sure that his new wife and his kid(s) are supported, we pretty much said the same thing, that if these black baby daddies had married their baby mamas, instead of knocking them up and abandoning them, the family would be intact. And if the baby daddy is already married to his baby's mama, he wouldn't feel obligated to marry another woman, white or not, the next time he sired a child in this world.

Marinate your mind on that, please.

Happy Easter, everybody.

Oh... I read your post... the majority of which focused only on deadbeat dads.... this was your point.. Dissident's post acknowledged briefly deadbeat dads.. but went on to spend the next 98% of his post tying that in with IR... I see now that you took one sentence of his and dismissed his point and everything else....

And you still don't get it. If the deadbeat dads married their babies' mamas, instead of just impregnating them and abandoning them, most of the problems would be alleviated. Unless that ex-deadbeat dad is a bigamist and/or an adulterer, if he used the same determination to take care of former baby mama (now newlywed wife) and children as he would if he were in a supposed IR relationship, White women, Asian women, Black women or any other women that's not married to the former deadbeat dad would be irrelevant.

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--Albert Einstein

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Originally posted by Huey:
That topic is so ignorant of the past. I bet those folks don't even know (or care) that 95% of the African slaves brought to the Western Hemisphere went to the Caribbean and Latin America.

Somebody's parents are in denial.

Places with far higher mortality rates and greater acceptance of race mixing. Except for a few places you will not find a hispanic with 4 Black grandparents.

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Originally posted by Afro Saxon:

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Originally posted by Huey:
That topic is so ignorant of the past. I bet those folks don't even know (or care) that 95% of the African slaves brought to the Western Hemisphere went to the Caribbean and Latin America.

Somebody's parents are in denial.

Places with far higher mortality rates and greater acceptance of race mixing. Except for a few places you will not find a hispanic with 4 Black grandparents.

This is pretty ignorant.

You don't get out much, do you?

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Originally posted by ricardomath:

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Originally posted by Afro Saxon:

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Originally posted by Huey:
That topic is so ignorant of the past. I bet those folks don't even know (or care) that 95% of the African slaves brought to the Western Hemisphere went to the Caribbean and Latin America.

Somebody's parents are in denial.

Places with far higher mortality rates and greater acceptance of race mixing. Except for a few places you will not find a hispanic with 4 Black grandparents.

This is pretty ignorant.

You don't get out much, do you?

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Originally posted by Huey:
And you still don't get it. If the deadbeat dads married their babies' mamas, instead of just impregnating them and abandoning them, most of the problems would be alleviated. Unless that ex-deadbeat dad is a bigamist and/or an adulterer, if he used the same determination to take care of former baby mama (now newlywed wife) and children as he would if he were in a supposed IR relationship, White women, Asian women, Black women or any other women that's not married to the former deadbeat dad would be irrelevant.

You don't get it...

Your point addresses what you feel is another discussion that you would like to have... deadbeat dads in general... this thread specifically focuses on the problems that arise in IR ... since you are in favor of IR you'd rather discuss deadbeat dads in general... Here Dissident does what you are unwilling to do which is bring your point and tie it in with the rest of the discussion... deadbeat dads are a problem... but he discusses how incendiary it is to be a deadbeat dad and then go be a decent dad with a white woman BECAUSE she is white... or specifically because she is anything other than Black... this point you are glossing over...

but I've come to expect no more from you...


carry on...

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Originally posted by Khalliqa:

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Originally posted by Huey:
And you still don't get it. If the deadbeat dads married their babies' mamas, instead of just impregnating them and abandoning them, most of the problems would be alleviated. Unless that ex-deadbeat dad is a bigamist and/or an adulterer, if he used the same determination to take care of former baby mama (now newlywed wife) and children as he would if he were in a supposed IR relationship, White women, Asian women, Black women or any other women that's not married to the former deadbeat dad would be irrelevant.

You don't get it...

Your point addresses what you feel is another discussion that you would like to have... deadbeat dads in general... this thread specifically focuses on the problems that arise in IR ... since you are in favor of IR you'd rather discuss deadbeat dads in general... Here Dissident does what you are unwilling to do which is bring your point and tie it in with the rest of the discussion... deadbeat dads are a problem... but he discusses how incendiary it is to be a deadbeat dad and then go be a decent dad with a white woman BECAUSE she is white... or specifically because she is anything other than Black... this point you are glossing over...

but I've come to expect no more from you...


carry on...

And I expect no more from you either, but I'll carry on nonetheless. You have a one track mind of thinking that only black men are secretly lusting after White women, knowing that over 90% of black men are with black women, have sex and impregnating black women---doing everything with black women EXCEPT marrying them. And IR is more of a problem? I don't think so. You'd think in this time of HIV-AIDS, we'll take more of a chance finding a preacher or a justice o' the peace, than getting a condom, but I digress.

And to go back to the subject, it's about Black Men who love Latin women (not white women) and the Latin parents who don't love them. There's a similar topic somewhere here, about Latinos and Italians being in denial of their blackness. I wish I could link it, but maybe next time.

This is a very strange subject, because like I said before most of the slaves that were brought to the Western Hemisphere, went mostly to the Caribbean islands of Cuba, Puerto Rico, Hispaniola (now Haiti and Dominican Republic) Jamaica and the rest of Latin America. What makes it more weird, is that although Latin parents don't want to have a black son-in-law, they seem to slightly tolerate having a black daughter-in-law...but that's a whole other story.

Not to mention, OA also stated that the majority of this anti-black feelings in the Latino community are coming from non-black Latinos...which I agree to an extent, and I'll tell you why.

It's not usually spoken about, but the Latin community also have a one-drop rule as well. The difference is that instead of one-drop of black blood makes you black in the US, it's the opposite: one drop of white blood makes you white.

I agree with OA, but the thing is that there are some black Latinos who are as dark as Wesley Snipes, but yet believe they're "white" because of one white ancestor.

And there are some Latinos (to those who didn't comprehend my earlier posts, I apologize and I'll specify) who have some unknown black ancestry, but don't want to entertain the thought of either researching it, exploring it or even acknowledging it. Some would just cuss you out or run you over with their car before admitting they have black ancestry.

That was what I was talking about that they must be in denial, because unlike the US, the black population was more absorbed into the white and indigenous populations in Latin America, since there weren't any anti-miscegenation laws in Latin America, or at least any that weren't enforced. That doesn't mean that there aren't any black people in Latin America, it just means that some folks want to say that they're more inclusive than the US, yet can be just as prejudiced and racist as Americans.

If you ever watch telenovelas (Spanish language soap operas) on Univision and Telemundo, about 96% of the actors are practically white. Not brunette and tanned white, but like Winter Olympics, Scandinavian white. It's like watching American television in the 50s. Unless one of the characters is either a maid, a prostitute or a drug dealer, you rarely see a non-white actor on these telenovelas.

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Originally posted by Huey:
You have a one track mind

Yes... in a topic re: IR... I talk about IR...