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The Watcher |
Here's the scenario:
Four new homeowners recently moved into our community, all sport bike owners. They congregate at all hours of the day in the neighborhood, foul language, engines revving, popping wheelies, doing donuts & burnouts. The community has had bike owners in the past, but none as obnoxious as these gentlemen. They have befriended their immediate neighbors, but can be heard throughout the community. How would you resolve this situation? ------------------------------ R.I.F. (Reading IS Fundamental)... "There are five dangerous faults which may affect a general: (1) Recklessness, which leads to destruction; (2) cowardice, which leads to capture; (3) a hasty temper, which can be provoked by insults; (4) a delicacy of honor which is sensitive to shame; (5) over-solicitude for his men, which exposes him to worry and trouble." -Sun Tzu |
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A1 |
start snitchin!!!
...just kidding. Call the local police and complain about a noise violation. Also, if you have an HOA, complain to them. Hope it helps |
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The Watcher |
By the by, the situation has been resolved - just want to see what other people would do.
I'll come back later with more details...  ------------------------------ R.I.F. (Reading IS Fundamental)... "There are five dangerous faults which may affect a general: (1) Recklessness, which leads to destruction; (2) cowardice, which leads to capture; (3) a hasty temper, which can be provoked by insults; (4) a delicacy of honor which is sensitive to shame; (5) over-solicitude for his men, which exposes him to worry and trouble." -Sun Tzu |
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A1 |
It depends on how threatening they are. If they appear to be spoiling for a fight, I'd call the police. If they are just young kids being young kids, I'd talk with them and let them know how they were disturbing my and mine..
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Tasmanian Angel |
Call the police.
BLACK by NATURE, PROUD by CHOICE. Before there was ANY history, there was BLACK history. |
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A1 |
You're a member of neighborhood watch, right? Perhaps get a delegation from the neighborhood watch committee to go over and speak with the fellas. Let them know that there are volunteers who take turns patrolling the neighborhoods and reporting suspicious behavior, for everyone's safety...
and then if that doesn't work. Ask the cops to make a few visible slow drive bys. When we speak we are afraid our words will not be heard or welcomed. But when we are silent, we are still afraid. So it is better to speak Audre Lord |
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B1 |
Hmmm. Depends on whether I would remain anonymous. Can I call the police without giving my name? If so, I would just call them. Otherwise, I would contact the HOA.
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The Watcher |
In my county, you can call the police and choose to have them address the situation and leave or stop by your home after they've handled it. Either way, you leave your name, a phone number & address.
I am part of our HOA board (Treasurer), Neighborhood Watch and just about every committee. Since I am the person who makes sure that dues are paid, levies fines, and initiates legal action, I'm not the most popular person in the community.  I called the police & asked them to stop by my house after they addressed the bikers. I talked to the offi ers outside because I knew the bikers would still be outside, wondering who reported them. They came to my house, introduced themselves and all but one apologized. The one who didn't apologize had an attitude. In future, I agreed to address them first but let them know if it ever gets volatile that I will call the police again. The HOA board is also scheduling a meeting with these gentlemen to set expectations before summer starts. Thoughts? ------------------------------ R.I.F. (Reading IS Fundamental)... "There are five dangerous faults which may affect a general: (1) Recklessness, which leads to destruction; (2) cowardice, which leads to capture; (3) a hasty temper, which can be provoked by insults; (4) a delicacy of honor which is sensitive to shame; (5) over-solicitude for his men, which exposes him to worry and trouble." -Sun Tzu |
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B1 |
If I couldn't remain anonymous then I probably wouldn't say anything until the behavior became unbearable or there were enough other neighbors also complaining.
Granted, an anonymous complaint system would be ripe for abuse. But since I live alone and can't fight,  I wouldn't want to initiate a confrontation. And, unfortunately, no matter how sweetly, logically and rationally you approach some folks, they will always receive your words as confrontational.And don't let it be someone's kid causing the disturbance.  Everyone thinks their kid is sweet as pie. How does your HOA and Neighborhood Watch deal with complaints that are likely to initiate retaliation? For instance, I was chased by one of my neighbors dogs as I was bringing out my trash. Next time I'll have something for his butt, namely a big ole can of of bear pepper spray. The owner will have a fit, but then again, he needs to keep track of his dog.  ------------------------------ DOMS is my friend. |
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The Watcher |
Thinking back on the whole ordeal, shouldn't grown men know they're out of order and check themselves before it becomes so annoying that someone calls the police? ------------------------------ R.I.F. (Reading IS Fundamental)... "There are five dangerous faults which may affect a general: (1) Recklessness, which leads to destruction; (2) cowardice, which leads to capture; (3) a hasty temper, which can be provoked by insults; (4) a delicacy of honor which is sensitive to shame; (5) over-solicitude for his men, which exposes him to worry and trouble." -Sun Tzu |
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A1 |
   Sorry ... D, if these were Grown Men you were dealing with, they wouldn't have been playing with their toys outside. Sometimes, Grown Men have to establish boundaries and codes of conduct for grown, but adolescent males [just as you did]. I recall awhile ago reading an article about the havoc a group of adolescent male elephants were causing a rural village in India [I think]. The villagers solved the problem by introducing a single adult male into the herd. Within a week, the majority of the hell-raising adolescents had either calmed down, or had left the area. [I'll try to find a link to the story] Just as these adolescent elephants conformed to the adult or left, I suspect that these adolescent acting neighbors will conform to your leadership ... or, they will simply leave. |
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The Watcher |
The only reason I posted this is because a week later, a mutual associate of mine & the riders wanted to share the riders' POV with me.
They thought I should have "approached them like men", whatever that means. I assume that translates to "Don't call the police".  Mutual associate went on to say I should go to their homes & try to befriend them.I wanted to say  , but I just listened politely.------------------------------ R.I.F. (Reading IS Fundamental)... "There are five dangerous faults which may affect a general: (1) Recklessness, which leads to destruction; (2) cowardice, which leads to capture; (3) a hasty temper, which can be provoked by insults; (4) a delicacy of honor which is sensitive to shame; (5) over-solicitude for his men, which exposes him to worry and trouble." -Sun Tzu |
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Bad Mother Fucker |
Generally, I can appreciate the bikers perspective... If I was one of them, I would have preferred you approaching me first... but then again, I wouldn't have acted in the manner that they did... They should have known better...
I applaud you for handling the situation they way you did... Not many people would have the courage to do so... Peace, AudioGuy ************************************************* "I am African, not because I was born in Africa; but because Africa was born in me" -Anonymous "The cost of Liberty is less than the cost of repression." -W.E.B. DuBois, John Brown 1909 "... can you imagine Doobie in yo' funk??!!" -G. Clinton Sense is far from COMMON! ... The tragic irony here is that a lot of African Americans may not fully recognize the implications of this decision for years to come. Stop by any barbershop, barbeque or church basement in Black America and you will hear – with distressing frequency – that old canard that "integration" ruined the Black community. William Jelani Cobb ************************************************* |
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C2 |
Write an anonymous letter addressing your concerns. If your disruptive neighbors fail to comply gather a collection of signatures from homeowners and forward the petition to the city clerk. If no success document and record their activities via video camera and take them to small claims court.
Good luck. ================ A race of people is like an individual man: until it uses it's own talent, takes pride in it's own history, expresses it's own culture, affirms it's own selfhood, it can never fulfill itself. El Hajj Malik Shabazz aka Malcolm X |
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The Watcher |
New scenario:
For those of you who frequently travel or have face time with a variety of people in your job, how do you manage cultural differences & disconnects in your interactions? ------------------------------ R.I.F. (Reading IS Fundamental)... "There are five dangerous faults which may affect a general: (1) Recklessness, which leads to destruction; (2) cowardice, which leads to capture; (3) a hasty temper, which can be provoked by insults; (4) a delicacy of honor which is sensitive to shame; (5) over-solicitude for his men, which exposes him to worry and trouble." -Sun Tzu |
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B1 |
Speak to them directly - voice your concerns - and hear them out. If no change...
town hall meeting lawsuit Black Child's Pledge I pledge allegiance to my Black People. I pledge to develop my mind and body to the greatest extent possible. I will learn all that I can in order to give my best to my People in their struggle for liberation. I will keep myself physically fit, building a strong body free from drugs and other substances which weaken me and make me less capable of protecting myself, my family and my Black brothers and sisters. I will unselfishly share my knowledge and understanding with them in order to bring about change more quickly. I will discipline myself to direct my energies thoughtfully and constructively rather than wasting them in idle hatred. I will train myself never to hurt or allow others to harm my Black brothers and sisters for I recognize that we need every Black Man, Woman, and Child to be physically, mentally and psychologically strong. These principles I pledge to practice daily and to teach them to others in order to unite my People. The Black Panther, October 26, 1968 by Shirley Williams |
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Phoenix Rising |
Hi Shango...  Peace, Khalliqa "The Goddess emerges as the evanescence of the inferior dissipates.... " |
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C4 |
If it's a culture that I have no previous experience with I generally initiate a conversation with the person. My objective is for them to give some insight into their point of view on a variety of topics. I will usually manipulate the conversation in such a way that they will begin to talk about their culture (which is my intention because culture is interesting to me). I have found through the years that people are generally open to talking about their culture/country when others are interested in listening. And it is always a bonus when you know alittle about the country they are from. Especially current events. The end result is I usually build a rapport and a level of trust. That helps so that whatever our professional relationship is, we will have a common ground in which to build on. __________________________ Africa, my Africa, I have never known you but my face is full of your blood. - David Diop |
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