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Originally posted by zodo:
I must maintain that we will eventually overcome ourselves one day, an uphill task indeed.


I hope and I pray that my eyes do not dim before that day arrives.


AMEN to that, my brotha!!!!
 
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Originally posted by ac9311:
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Originally posted by ricardomath:


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Illegal aliens do not have any allegiance to black people.


Where's your allegience to Black people? You seek to divide Black folks along lines of citizen vs non-citizen, along lines of documented vs undocumented.
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My allegiance is to "BLACK PEOPLE" only. It is written all over my face. It's in my blood. It lives in my heart. I don't seek to divide anyone, that was done for me 360 years ago. Stop being politically correct. It's illegal alien not undocumented. Documented is an American/resident citizen.

Furthermore, illegal aliens are dividing themselves from everyone else. First, by coming here illegally Demanding social services (which they do receive).

Expecting me to pay for their child's education.

Expecting me to feed their child at lunch on the free lunch program.

Closing down county hospitals by not paying (see California).

Press 1 for English, press 2 for Spanish.

Crashing into peoples cars without insurance and running. Causing my premiums to be sky high.

I don't recall any documentation or an option for Fulani, Yoruba, Igbo, Hausa or Songhay. If you know of any, holla at a brotha'.

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It takes some gall for you to sit there and attack other Black folks for being undocumented, while at the same time complaining that they don't unite with you while you attack them with your idiotic stereotypes and ignorance.
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I haven't attacked anyone. If I have, please show me the quote in which I did. I'm not complaining about the fact that they don't unite with us, or anyone else for that matter. It's just the plain and simple fact. They are clanish. If you can disprove that fact please do.

What undocumented black folks did I refer to? You need to re-read my post sir. What I posted was not a stereotype it is a fact. It's ignorant to you because you can't prove me wrong.



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I have a solution for that, they can take their family with them.


Why don't you leave and take your family with you.
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News Flash. I was born here. My ancestors who were stolen from their homeland built this country. They died for me to have the right to tell you and anyone else to .......!


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Then, and only then, will you have any semblance of moral authority to tell others to do the same.
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My great great Grandfather, gave me the moral authority when he picked Mr. Charlie's cotton in Arkansas the 1820's.

I was given the moral authority when my great, great Grandmother was raped by Mr. Charlie in the slave shack in Lexington KY. And all her husband could do was keep his head up and train Mr. Charlie's horses.

I was given the moral authority when in 1945, 7 of my grandmother's siblings were murdered by a white man who thought it was funny to run some black folk off the road in Fort Worth TX.

Now, to reiterate what I said before " I have absolutely no, not some, not alittle bit, not even a ski-tay bit of sympathy for them or their plight". If you don't like it tough.

What you fail to understand is, African Americans have been suffering ever since our ancestors set foot on this foreign land. And every carpetbagger ( illegal aliens being the most recent) that needs help wants to try and draw comparisons between us and them to our detriment.


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As for us...we'll leave when we're fvckin' good and ready.
Not on your schedule...



I know it's painful. If you swallow real hard, that lump in your throat goes away. My mother use to always say that the truth hurts.

From now on, everytime you walk past an African American, you need to drop to your knees and thank our ancestors for dying for the freedoms that you and illegals covet and exploit.

They paved the way for you and your brethren to stow away across the southern border and misinterpret the 14th amendment.

Adios


tfro





When we speak we are afraid our words will not be heard or welcomed. But when we are silent, we are still afraid. So it is better to speak

Audre Lord
 
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Originally posted by ac9311:
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Originally posted by ricardomath:


quote:
Illegal aliens do not have any allegiance to black people.


Where's your allegience to Black people? You seek to divide Black folks along lines of citizen vs non-citizen, along lines of documented vs undocumented.
_________________________

My allegiance is to "BLACK PEOPLE" only. It is written all over my face. It's in my blood. It lives in my heart. I don't seek to divide anyone, that was done for me 360 years ago. Stop being politically correct. It's illegal alien not undocumented. Documented is an American/resident citizen.

Furthermore, illegal aliens are dividing themselves from everyone else. First, by coming here illegally Demanding social services (which they do receive).

Expecting me to pay for their child's education.

Expecting me to feed their child at lunch on the free lunch program.

Closing down county hospitals by not paying (see California).

Press 1 for English, press 2 for Spanish.

Crashing into peoples cars without insurance and running. Causing my premiums to be sky high.

I don't recall any documentation or an option for Fulani, Yoruba, Igbo, Hausa or Songhay. If you know of any, holla at a brotha'.

________________________________
It takes some gall for you to sit there and attack other Black folks for being undocumented, while at the same time complaining that they don't unite with you while you attack them with your idiotic stereotypes and ignorance.
_________________________________

I haven't attacked anyone. If I have, please show me the quote in which I did. I'm not complaining about the fact that they don't unite with us, or anyone else for that matter. It's just the plain and simple fact. They are clanish. If you can disprove that fact please do.

What undocumented black folks did I refer to? You need to re-read my post sir. What I posted was not a stereotype it is a fact. It's ignorant to you because you can't prove me wrong.



quote:
I have a solution for that, they can take their family with them.


Why don't you leave and take your family with you.
_______________________________

News Flash. I was born here. My ancestors who were stolen from their homeland built this country. They died for me to have the right to tell you and anyone else to .......!


________________________________
Then, and only then, will you have any semblance of moral authority to tell others to do the same.
________________________________

My great great Grandfather, gave me the moral authority when he picked Mr. Charlie's cotton in Arkansas the 1820's.

I was given the moral authority when my great, great Grandmother was raped by Mr. Charlie in the slave shack in Lexington KY. And all her husband could do was keep his head up and train Mr. Charlie's horses.

I was given the moral authority when in 1945, 7 of my grandmother's siblings were murdered by a white man who thought it was funny to run some black folk off the road in Fort Worth TX.

Now, to reiterate what I said before " I have absolutely no, not some, not alittle bit, not even a ski-tay bit of sympathy for them or their plight". If you don't like it tough.

What you fail to understand is, African Americans have been suffering ever since our ancestors set foot on this foreign land. And every carpetbagger ( illegal aliens being the most recent) that needs help wants to try and draw comparisons between us and them to our detriment.


_____________________________
As for us...we'll leave when we're fvckin' good and ready.
Not on your schedule...



I know it's painful. If you swallow real hard, that lump in your throat goes away. My mother use to always say that the truth hurts.

From now on, everytime you walk past an African American, you need to drop to your knees and thank our ancestors for dying for the freedoms that you and illegals covet and exploit.

They paved the way for you and your brethren to stow away across the southern border and misinterpret the 14th amendment.

Adios


yeah
appl bow


____________________________________________________
Got no love for politicians
Or that crazy scene in D.C.
It's just a power mad town
But the time is ripe for changes
There's a growing feeling
That taking a chance on a new kind of vision is due

I used to trust the media
To tell me the truth, tell us the truth
But now I've seen the payoffs
Everywhere I look
Who do you trust when everyone's a crook?

Revolution calling
Revolution calling
Revolution calling you
(There's a) Revolution calling
Revolution calling
Gotta make a change
Gotta push, gotta push it on through



catch
 
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If their impact has been so negligible as to escape contact with African America - then what's all the beef about? 15


What's all the handwringing, crying, and moaning about? girl


That's my question to you precisely. Why all the histrionics about slavery etc. when we're talking about a group of people - over the last 20 years or so - who have been sucked North on a pipeline to America. We acknowledge that the issue benefits Mexico, the United States, American corporations and their beneficiaries. Most people understand that the workers are making but a percentage of our legal minimum wage while often working under conditions that are also illegal and immoral. So, we have all these major institutional beneficiaries enjoying an illicit few trillions of dollars, yet we get emotional about a poor amigo making $1.50 an hour?

I don't get it. Particularly when the logic about this has been laid out and seems clear.


I can't believe I'm saying this (it sounds like something some White conservative would say), but why would a Black person compare the experiences of our ancestors to the experiences that Mexican immigrants go through?

Mexican immigrants are experiencing poverty NOW. Our ancestors were slaves more than 130 years ago. When is the last time any of us here on this messsage board were personally whipped or bonded in iron chains? It looks bad if the only thing you can bring up is the past suffering (that you yourself have not experienced) in comparison to the present suffering of other people. And I agree 100% with MBM, is the suffering of other people only important if they have suffered to the same degree as our ancestors? How are we today suffering to the same degree as our own ancestors?

Blaming the problem on "illegal" Mexicans reminds me of how middle-class Germans blamed Jews in Germany for the economic depression before WWII.

MBM, the reason a lot of members are so hesistant to blame the corporations is because deep down they either feel there is little they can about the corporations, or possibly they still admire corporations because they aspire to be a white-collar employee or manager of one somday. It's always easier to beat up on the weaker party instead of going after evil in high places.

This may be a bit biased, but I feel it's a good article on why many everyday Black people would rather attack immigrants than the employers that hire them (because they still rely on those employers to hire Black people):

http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?...569fa2247fb&from=rss

I also can't believe I'm saying this, but I feel no sympathy for Black people who give the government and employers a free pass yet get all animated about Mexican immigrants (even to the point of dropping epithets like "amigo" and "chico"). Anyone who focuses on victims while not going after the victimizer deserves whatever bad happens to them. This is painful, but Black people who end up without a job and refuse to do anything else about it other than begging Massa to close the borders and re-hire them doesn't have my sympathy or solidarity. The same goes for these damn Hispanic people voting Republican and filling in "White" in the race area on the census and blaming Black folks for their problems instead of going after these corporations and the government. They don't have my support or solidarity.


As for the "Amexica" comment, keep in mind that prior to the mid-1800's, most of the American Southwest belonged to the Mexicans. The land that you now believe is Massa's (the US government's) right to keep and call the Mexicans returning to their homeland against Massa's wishes "illegal immigrants".


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"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital.
Capital is only the fruit of labor and could never
have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is
the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration."
-- Abraham Lincoln --

"You may be the ones who own the plantations, but we are the ones WHO CUT THE CANE."
--Jose Dolores from iQueimada!; English Translation: Burn! Modeled after Toussaint L'Overture--
 
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I agree with MBM, SisterSouljah and Isome. I know that many will probably call me an "illegal immigrant-hugging sellout", so be it. If "Black Empowerment" has come down to marching with the Minutemen, holding up African slavery and our involuntary immigration here as justification for a black-faced form of right-wing Nativism/anti-foreignism and supporting a police state to close the border then fuck Black Empowerment.

I come from the old school of Black Empowerment that believed, like Malcolm X, in Black people uniting with other people of color. But apparently I missed the boat because Black empowerment today means Nativism, an anti-Mexican police state and dumping on Brown immigrants instead of the White employers. All in the hopes that it will magically make Massa...er..the employer start magically hiring Black people again at higher wages. Lord Almighty, I never thought I'd live to see the day when working Black people start mimicking Fascist ideas (racial nationalism, anti-foreign sentiments, police state national border measures scapegoating elements of the working class and underclass for economic problems, HeruStar supporting class-based eugenics laws).

We've gone from being a people in support of radical internationalism, anti-racism, working-class solidarity, cooperativism and anti-government sentiments (the Civil Rights era) to mimicking Bill O'Reilly and the Minutemen (even down to the condescending racial stereotypes of Mexicans). We really must be near the End of Days. sck


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"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital.
Capital is only the fruit of labor and could never
have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is
the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration."
-- Abraham Lincoln --

"You may be the ones who own the plantations, but we are the ones WHO CUT THE CANE."
--Jose Dolores from iQueimada!; English Translation: Burn! Modeled after Toussaint L'Overture--
 
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