You should thank God that you're alive and don't have Alzheimer's yet, so that you're still able to spew all this sh!t. Doesn't matter whether or not folks deem you crazy. Whisper to me and me alone: Are you?????

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The petty bourgeoisie are the first to sell out. When they obtain status their lives generally lose both content and significance. - Black Consciousness

Well Norland,

"You should thank God that you're alive and don't have Alzheimer's yet, so that you're still able to spew all this sh!t. Doesn't matter whether or not folks deem you crazy. Whisper to me and me alone: Are you?????" by Norland

...or perhaps you should ask Michael Jackson if he has all his marbles. You won't find any mug shot being circulated on the internet or otherwise, depicting me as a common criminal.

....you won't find any litigation that sticks to prove that I've been criminal, so much so, that I'm going to spend thousands of dollars, to settle the dispute out of court.

You are directing this question at the wrong individual. Perhaps you should pose this with that misfit set that surely exists within the Black community.

I'll tell you what, I'm walking free, my family walks free, and be it any court of insanity, and/or criminal court, you won't find Michael Lofton and/or anyone of his family members facing criminal charges, and/or spending the rest of a life in any mental institution.

In addition, you do not have the qualifications in the least to put me, and/or anyone of my family members in any mental institution. A few Black people of blatant incompetence tried, but the Lofton family, truth, and/or Caucasian America shut them up!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

[This message was edited by Lofton on January 17, 2004 at 08:54 AM.]

And let's not forget the racist white supremacy websites you frequent ....

The KKK-loving friends who allow you to stick your nose up their butts ....

The anti-black media that you read and frequent ....

The psychiatrist who obviously didn't see you as a danger to society and allowed you to remain free from the psycho ward .....

The intelligent, strong, powerful Black woman (or women) who was obviously in a position of high authority that she ever taught you to read and write in the first place. (And yes, I know it was a woman who did it! It always is. Though at the time I'm sure she didn't realize she was creating an idiot!)

And all of the other Black people in this country who gave their blood, sweat, tears and/or lives for your freedoms ... that say that even low-life, ignorant, self-hating, degrading, slimy, useless beings such as yourself are worthy of those freedoms.



BLACK by NATURE, PROUD by CHOICE.
Free your mind, and the rest will follow.

LOL.... Lofton.. you are one funny cat...

"In addition, you do not have the qualifications in the least to put me, and/or anyone of my family members in any mental institution. A few Black people of blatant incompetence tried, but the Lofton family, truth, and/or Caucasian America shut them up!"

So we are not the first Black people to think you should be institutionalized. Damn, just to think, people who know you in real life think you should be put away and now the people who know you online think you should be put away. Maybe, just maybe you should be put away.



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"We got to organize ourselves, We got to mobilize and there can't be no confusion in our collective solution, If not for ourselves, then for our kids, because we know who our enemy is!"

DPZ "for the hood"

More to come later!

Your Brother Faheem

Well Norland, Faheem, Ebony Rose,

Thinking about it, wishing for it, name calling, showing hatred for me, showing contempt for the fact that I have visited the ProtestWarrior Website, etc., will not put me behind bars, or send me to any mental institution.

Those misfits from our own community...and since you want to confine this to Black women,..... Ebony Rose,.....speaking of Black women, by and large the misfits who did this are university educated Black women,.....University educated social workers who attempted to send my parents to a mental institution, who definitely shamed and embarrassed themselves.

Reading any anti-Black publication did not do this. The incompetence of Black people in positions of responsibility, on the other hand could have sent my parents to a mental institution for the rest of their days.

This reality being said, who truly fits the description of being anti-Black, treasonous, etc., because last time I checked to which reality will support, reading or viewing information of a so-called Racist Caucasian website, or reading information on its counter-part, in the Nation of Islam, as it relates to the "Final Call", has yet to send Black men or women to prison or confine any Black men or women to any mental institution.

The incompetence on the part of Black police officers, Black social workers, Black judges, Black lawyers, etc., on the other hand, when applying the reality of what Black professionals attempted to do to my parents, but who were soundly rejected by my parents belief in themselves, the "Gospel" truth, factual evidence, and/or Caucasian Judges respect for law, may in addition, be part of the reason that untold numbers of truly innocent Black men, women, children, and/or Black families have been destroyed.

Mind you, far too often the truly innocent of Black America, are not facing penal incarceration or any mental institution, because of any wrong doing on the part of Caucasians, but rather because of the hatred, the ignorance, etc., that the so-called Black middle class, and/or so-called university educated have for other Black people.

Reading so-called racist literature, newspapers, etc., has yet to confine Black people, or anyone else to any penal institution of incarceration or mental institution....the blatant incompetence of any lawyer, social worker, probation officer, judge, and/or perjured testimony of any citizen, on the other hand, is indeed responsible for the confinement of untold numbers of truly innocent individuals.

...perhaps you should try your luck or ask Michael Jackson if he has all his marbles. You won't find any mug shot being circulated on the internet or otherwise, depicting me as a common criminal. Instead of wasting time to fool yourselves into thinking that I will end up in any mental institution, your time would be better served getting Michael Jackson ready for his new home, which could be prison, and should any sanity court find that he has lost his marbles, a mental institution.

....you won't find any litigation that sticks to prove that I've been criminal, so much so, that I'm going to spend thousands of dollars, to settle the dispute out of court.

You are directing this question at the wrong individual. Perhaps you should pose this with that misfit set that surely exists within the Black community.

I'll tell you what, I'm walking free, my family walks free, and be it any court of insanity, and/or criminal court, you won't find Michael Lofton and/or anyone of his family members facing criminal charges, and/or spending the rest of a life in any mental institution.

In addition, you do not have the qualifications in the least to put me, and/or anyone of my family members in any mental institution. A few Black people of blatant incompetence tried, but the Lofton family, truth, and/or Caucasian America shut them up!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

[This message was edited by Lofton on January 17, 2004 at 11:03 AM.]

Actually the frequenters of Protest Warrior often have their fiercest arguments with the race-baiters from both sides. People from white nationalist sites like stormfront.org visit PW every so often and have their racial ideologies completely rebutted as do the same type of racially obsessed people who come from certain 'black' websites.

To me, both sides seem all too similar. Both try to fit every single event into some grand notion of race no matter how incompatible the racial ideology is with the given situation. Such ridiculous "non-fits" culminate with extreme and stupid ideas such as "whites are more evoloved than other races" and, on the other side "whites are psychologically inclined to want to dominate others" or every action of the American government is to "preserve the white power structure".

Some people are just obsessed with race, and will always be. Such people do not make up the majority of the posters at protestwarrior.com- Check it out, if you wish and see how they respond to the race-mongers.

"Eventually, socialists run out of other people's money" - Margaret Thatcher

toussaint, it does not take a very smart man or woman to dispute and rebut racist ideology that one race is superior to the other, however the politics of the Stormfront folk is the same as that of the Protestwarriors. The PW folk are much smarter racist and are not emotionally invested in their racist ideology; they see their racist ideology as rational not emotional. The Stormfronters allow their emotions to cloud their judgment but for the most part PW and StormFront believe most of the same thing concerning the grievance Black men and women have with America and our fight for redress.

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"We got to organize ourselves, We got to mobilize and there can't be no confusion in our collective solution, If not for ourselves, then for our kids, because we know who our enemy is!"

DPZ "for the hood"

More to come later!

Your Brother Faheem

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toussaint, it does not take a very smart man or woman to dispute and rebut racist ideology that one race is superior to the other, however the politics of the Stormfront folk is the same as that of the Protestwarriors.

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Actually, the politics at stormfront are more similar to others of have race-based ideologies and think everything that happens in somehow connected to race. These are not the people at Protest Warrior. PW is not a board based on race- stormfront is- PW, by and large, is frequented by posters who believe that society as a whole- meaning all races etc.- would benefit from a limited government that respects individual liberty.

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The PW folk are much smarter racist and are not emotionally invested in their racist ideology; they see their racist ideology as rational not emotional.

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You have yet to provide any evidence that they have an ideology that has anything to do with race- unless you believe limited government is 'racist'.

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The Stormfronters allow their emotions to cloud their judgment but for the most part PW and StormFront believe most of the same thing concerning the grievance Black men and women have with America and our fight for redress.

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If you're talking about black individuals ultimately being responsible for their lot in life, 'ideologies' presented at stormfront and PW don't even come close to each other. At PW, the majority of the posters believe that failure, by and large, stems from a lack of personal responsibility. Stormfronters believe that success and failure have only to do with race. And posters on some 'black' sites have a similar view to the stormfronters in their belief that race is the main factor- the only differences' being that there is an 'oppressor' race and a race which is 'fighting against oppression'. Nevertheless, both ultimately attribute the ways in which the world works to some idea of 'race'. There is no idea of the individual in either of these ways of thinking- whereas on PW, posters focus mostly on the individual- making any type of racial BS incompatible with their beliefs.

"Eventually, socialists run out of other people's money" - Margaret Thatcher

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You have yet to provide any evidence that they have an ideology that has anything to do with race- unless you believe limited government is 'racist'.

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Not to really put my $.02 where it doesn't belong ... but we recently had an onslaught of PW persons "visit" our little website here .... and believe me, their dialogue is all the proof anyone would need that they have an ideology that has a whole lot to do with race! Most were absolutely hateful about it!

BLACK by NATURE, PROUD by CHOICE.
Free your mind, and the rest will follow.

Lofton, there are many African men laying/lying in their graves due to false accusations. I'm not falling for the Okey-Doke as far as Michael Jackson's concerned. In fact, I plan on buying his "#1's" CD this weekend. The media have him tried, convicted, sentenced over this jazz. So be it. I'm giving him my support. If I recall correctly, there's a Mr. Durst (or something or another) who killed someone, chopped him up and is walking scott free. What's good for Mr. Durst should be good for Michael. Who did he murder?? Woody Allen's married to his daughter; is he locked up?? Which one of these jokers paid 3 million dollars bail? Not a one. Michael's rich and walks to the beat of his own drum, plus he's different. Folks don't like that, but then again, folks don't like a lot of things.

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The petty bourgeoisie are the first to sell out. When they obtain status their lives generally lose both content and significance. - Black Consciousness

Hey Lofton, does it anger you at all that despite your 'successes', you are still limited by, and therefore subject, to the rule of your captors?

What that means is, despite all those folk who helped you, as a black american, you are still confined within, reduced by, and subject to the white man's rule of law.

Your successes are about as significant to them as your status as an 'african-american'. You cannot be anything greater than they allow you to be. But maybe the silver lining here is that you chose to see it in a 'positive' light. Calling them 'your' successes, when they are in fact, allowances conceded by your former captors, and nothing more. Even those others who 'helped' you were limited by the same dictates. Etablished in our slavery days. Perfected during the 140 years before we recieved our 'civil rights'.

We can rise only as high as they allow us. And that includes you lofton.

Peace
sd

Cry FREEDOM

Freedom Revolution to Establish the Egalitarian Deporment Of Mankind.

Toussaint, As I stated above PW beliefs and ideologies are not emotionally attached to a racist ideology, their racist belief is rational as they see it and not rooted in racism. The folk over at PW can defend their position and beliefs without ever bringing up race because they understand that no one race is superior to the other and that Race is a social construct. However, when race is introduced into the discussion, they fail to see or understand the relevance of race to a particular issue and or they use deceptive intelligence to rationalize their position. I have debated over on PW, as have Noah and Nmaginate and I am convinced that PW members are not white supremacist in the spirit of Stormfront members, but are racist in that they buy into racist ideologies as the reason for explaining certain realities in this country. I once wrote over on PW that not every one there is racist, but their continued defense of those who are accused of racism without knowing the facts in fact put them on the side of the racist. And after the facts are made known they stick to their rationalization as to why something is what it is and refuse to acknowledge how race is an issue.

Look at the thread over there about what the left has done to Black folk and you can understand what I am saying here. A clear example of their racist belief that seem rational to them is when I said, reparations can be easily given to Black men and women by using the three billion giving to Israel every year and the monies given to the other nations for various reasons, no one could come up with a reason why this would not work, but their hatred for Black people refuse to allow them to see anything of good being done for Black folk by way of this government using tax dollars.. They have no problem with giving 89 billion to Iraq and 3 billion to Israel but you mention reparation and they loose their damn mind.

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"We got to organize ourselves, We got to mobilize and there can't be no confusion in our collective solution, If not for ourselves, then for our kids, because we know who our enemy is!"

DPZ "for the hood"

More to come later!

Your Brother Faheem

"Deceitful black foster parents who without legal authority used by brothers, sisters, and I to collect AFDC benefits."-M. Lofton

I'm not even going pretend as if I understand what its like to be exploited in this way. My parents went through hell and high water for me. Their love, patience, and lots of money put my sister and I through college. AND BOTH OF THEM ARE AFRICAN AMERICAN. What do you think about that! But seriously, the fact that a society needs foster care to begin with reveals a larger problem. I educate many foster care students who live a nightmare everyday. And sadly, the older they become, the less they are wanted by potential parents. Despite your experiences however, you've managed to become a very articulate and informed person, whom in my opinion, carries himself a cut above the average. Not many African American males in or out of foster care will be able to testify to that, that is, if they live to see your age. So why not remember the remarkable achievements that you have made despite your past?

In any event, I happen to respect and appreciate some of the information that you share in the forum and your perspectives on some issues; however, this lastest thread is has me concerned because it reveals a deeper problem relating to your past. Ultimately, it doesn't make any sense to discredit an entire race based on one unfortunate childhood encounter with African American foster parents when you did say at least one African woman helped you as well. In my opinion, one should cancel out the other.

[This message was edited by Rowe on January 18, 2004 at 12:22 PM.]

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Toussaint, As I stated above PW beliefs and ideologies are not emotionally attached to a racist ideology, their racist belief is rational as they see it and not rooted in racism.

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You still have yet to prove that they are racist in any way, shape or form.

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However, when race is introduced into the discussion, they fail to see or understand the relevance of race to a particular issue and or they use deceptive intelligence to rationalize their position.

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So, in other words, because they don't see things your way, they are racist. Because they do not believe that race is a relevant issue when you think it is, they are racist.

I guess disagreeing just can't be... well, disagreeing.

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I have debated over on PW, as have Noah and Nmaginate and I am convinced that PW members are not white supremacist in the spirit of Stormfront members, but are racist in that they buy into racist ideologies as the reason for explaining certain realities in this country.

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And these racist ideologies would be what?

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I once wrote over on PW that not every one there is racist, but their continued defense of those who are accused of racism without knowing the facts in fact put them on the side of the racist.

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I don't know exactly what you're referring to, but it would be logical to conclude that many people may not buy the "racist" tag when you place it on someone. When I see that you're tagging them as "racist" now since they disagree with you as to the relevance of race in certain issues, I can't say I'm all that surprised that one would look at such an accusation quite skeptically- Kinda like the boy who cried wolf.

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A clear example of their racist belief that seem rational to them is when I said, reparations can be easily given to Black men and women by using the three billion giving to Israel every year and the monies given to the other nations for various reasons, no one could come up with a reason why this would not work, but their hatred for Black people refuse to allow them to see anything of good being done for Black folk by way of this government using tax dollars.

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So opposition to reparations is "racist". Good Lord....

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They have no problem with giving 89 billion to Iraq and 3 billion to Israel but you mention reparation and they loose their damn mind.

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Most of the 89 billion you mentioned is going to troops, and the rest is not being sent as "reparations". The money to Israel is not
"reparations" either. These are foreign policy measures- you may agree with such appropriations or you may not. But, anyway, you're comparing apples and oranges here.

However, to continue this discussion I need to know one thing: Why is Faheem specifically entitled to someone else's money?

"Eventually, socialists run out of other people's money" - Margaret Thatcher

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Hey Lofton, does it anger you at all that despite your 'successes', you are still limited by, and therefore subject, to the rule of your captors?

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Actually, I think Lofton was born in this country and was never "captured" by anyone.

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What that means is, despite all those folk who helped you, as a black american, you are still confined within, reduced by, and subject to the white man's rule of law.

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Just let me crawl into a corner and cry.

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Your successes are about as significant to them as your status as an 'african-american'.

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Who cares what his status is to someone else? This is meaningless. Some people may respect the man and others won't- That's life man.

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You cannot be anything greater than they allow you to be.

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Calling them 'your' successes, when they are in fact, allowances conceded by your former captors, and nothing more.

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Newsflash: Trans-Atlantic Slave-Trade ended well over a century ago. This man has no captors... he was never captured.

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Even those others who 'helped' you were limited by the same dictates. Etablished in our slavery days.

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I doubt you were a slave, but it sure does seem you know how to play the role. "They're not gonna let me succeed- they are in control of everything- what I do doesn't matter and never will matter" etc etc.

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We can rise only as high as they allow us. And that includes you lofton.

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Please, speak for yourself. Thank you.

"Eventually, socialists run out of other people's money" - Margaret Thatcher

Uh oh .... sounds like toussaint and Lofton may be blood related or sumpthin'?

BLACK by NATURE, PROUD by CHOICE.
Free your mind, and the rest will follow.

Why don't you all just leave him alone already! You have had your fun. So quit it. Can't you see that the man has had a hard life? The man just told you about his experience as a foster child, and you all just go right on insulting him anyway as if he didn't even say anything. What is this? A firing squad? More importantly, why do you continue to entertain his perspectives, by responding to his threads, when you know, by now, that any topic with Michael Lofton's name next to it is going to be targeted at minorities, and specifically African Americans. I mean, its like dumb flies flying into the light just to keep getting their asses burned. Nobody is forcing you to click on his posts. Therefore, ignore them, unless you enjoy being cornered and made to feel as if you are responsible for explaining the actions and behavior of every African American. Remember that you can be no more accountible for what others do than he can. Therefore, rather than becoming defensive (which is precisely what is expected), whenever you hear people complaining about something, the best response is to immediately follow up with a question asking about what they're planning to do about it. This is a discussion forum, so you have to remember that some people say and write shit just for the pure shock value and take pleasure in pissing some people off. (Not saying that Michael is doing this, but just that some people do).

[This message was edited by Rowe on January 18, 2004 at 01:03 PM.]

Rowe ....

I think you think we take Lofton way too seriously!! I don't think anybody here is convinced by any argument he presents, any opinion he has, nor do we really care the he is obviously psychologically challenged or why!!

As I see it, the only one trapped or cornered here is Mr. Lofton, as evidenced by the fact that he continues to repeat the same answers to the numerous and various questions, opinions and senarious presented to him! Only one response means he has no where to go!

And if wants to be left alone, then he should lift his hands and slowly back away from his computer and go find a corner somewhere to sit in! Until then, he is fair game to be played with at our leisure and will! The last think I feel for Mr. Lofton is threatened by his nonsense. Now, once I get to pity him, maybe then I'll leave him alone!

BLACK by NATURE, PROUD by CHOICE.
Free your mind, and the rest will follow.

Rowe,

Tell your children what to do.....if life is that damn hard where you have to disrespect and degrade blacks and worship the very whites that created this shit in the first place...then one needs to get their healing and therapy on in private and not think talking like that in public will not illicit an adverse response. If you are any one else think you are going to come in here and tell the "negroes" to be passive and subject themselves to that bulllshiit, then you are crazy. Spend your time teaching Lofton how to respect the dead and people who have done lots for his social and economic condition. I bet he wouldn't work to besmirch the name of some thug azz fool in his neighborhood.....they'd have his azz straight in a minute.


Since Lofton likes to degrade blacks and blame blacks for all of the problems we face and excuse whites for any unscrupulous behavior...I thought I would post this small blurb from my online class. After reading this, I wonder how in the f-k anyone could ever form their mouths to try and discredit black people for the inequities we acknowledge and work to rectify......


*** To illustrate how pervasive the glass ceiling is, I would like to share with you these statistics published by the Federal Glass Ceiling Commission in November 1995.

"¢ 97% of the senior managers of Fortune 500 companies are white
"¢ 95 - 97% of the senior managers of Fortune 500 companies are male
"¢ Only 5% of the senior managers of Fortune 2000 companies are female
"¢ African American men with professional degrees earn 21 percent less than their white counterparts holding the same degrees in the same job categories
"¢ Only 0.4 percent of managers are Hispanic, although Hispanics make up eight percent of America's workforce
"¢ Asian and Pacific Islander Americans earn less than whites in comparable positions and receive fewer promotions, despite more formal education than other groups.
"¢ These numbers are put in context by the fact that in our society, two-thirds of the population -- and 57% of the workers -- are women, minorities, or both


***So I and many other black people in here did not get where we are by accpeting this kind of BS and going through life with the mindset, "oh that is just how things are"......as a part of the natural pecking order....that type of thinking is for the passive, self-subjugated.........fill in the blank