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Originally posted by HeruStar:
Speaking of posting responses to myself.

I got a couple mo' things I want to get off of my chest.

Maybe I need to explain why my views are so "warped".

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Some "warped" background.

My mother lost her project, my Senior year in highschool, and six of us had to move into a single-roomed shelter. So maybe the "lay off the crack" pick struck a nerve, because my mother used drugs. My posting of a crack-head woman was highly inappropriate and actually quite embarrassing (temporary lapse in sanity) My mother and I had our disagreements, so I was sent to a men's shelter... this is where my faith grew... they shipped all of us... black men and women, to a white church... well mixed... kinda. I had sunday-school with white high-school/college aged young adults. Ironically, this was my introduction to "peace like a river". Not the rhetorical kind.

Moving along...

A white teacher, that taught at my high-school in Dallas, had compassion, and brought me into his home, with his wife and two adopted kids. Since I was a project knuckle-head with "potential", he practically held my hand during the application process to U.N.T. I was then introduced to another an elder white woman, who paid for my room/board. With her, Pretty much anything I needed was a telephone call away.

Fast-forward (past my college woes)

Into my relationship with a Chinese girl. There is a stigma about Chinese parents hating black people... there may be some truth to that... but... I flew to Taiwan, slept at her parents house, and didn't meet any rudeness or bigotry. Not only that, her mom kept getting me things to eat, and scolding my ex-girlfriend for her short-comings in hospitality. Her father who spoke no english, made gestures, and did whatever he could to relay to me that I was accepted. Her oldest brother, took us to see some exotic places, and even paid for us to stay in a resort on a beach, short flight included, he was a pleasant dude. Her San-ge, greeted me into his home as well, kept me laughing. They kept a brotha well fed.

Moral of the story is. I've had the benefit of being able to sit down and eat with WHITES and CHINESE in an INTIMATE setting. Most of my upliftment came from non-blacks. Many of you use your PERSONAL experiences to legitimize your disgust in solidarity. I'm not trying to do the same thing here, but I guess I've had the misfortune to think outside of a racist box, and reflect on things that are taboo in the extreme militant's world.

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So NO... all is not right with the world. But like I've stated, I guess I've had the misfortune of seeing that it's not all bad either.


Well your background explains alot and a feel a bit bad about going back and forth with you. You can not help yourself if I was in your situation I'd have issues too.



 
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Pan-Africanism is simply a perspective that has merits when it relates to the powerful elite in the world and the powerless non-whites. The organization for power is not an antiquated idea as its seems you are suggesting.


You yourself suggested that "White Supremacy" is a myth. Why isn't the organization for power a myth? I think the EXTENT to which extreme militants portray the "organization for power" is antiquated. I am not so naieve to suggest that the "establishment" is non-existent, but when will REALITY sink in? When will people stop suggesting that EITHER race is supreme?


I don't think I ever suggest white supremacy was a myth. I see the acts of organized power everyday. The relative value of each can only be determined by the context of it, and the result of it.

Because all "systems" are human defined and created it is us who maintain them and give them value. That is why I don't have a problem with you criticizing pan-Africanism, but to deny that African based organization for power is naive kind of reflects badly on us as black folks in America. I said that because much of the civil rights was Blacks organizing to acquire power. Theoretically you can say pan-Africanism is an international extension of that thought.

I also agree that she does tend to avoid alot of discussion in relation to how her beliefs originated and that relate to 'her'. That could just be a message board thing.

Finally, extremism is also determined by us. What was extreme in 1940 is today's man's everyday existence.

We are really talking about frames of reference here. Like I said, I don't have any problem with the concept of pan-Africanism, although I think the actually organizational aspect of it would be very difficult to overcome. In addition I think we should organize at home first before we talk about organizing abroad.
 
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Moral of the story is. I've had the benefit of being able to sit down and eat with WHITES and CHINESE in an INTIMATE setting. Most of my upliftment came from non-blacks. Many of you use your PERSONAL experiences to legitimize your disgust in solidarity. I'm not trying to do the same thing here, but I guess I've had the misfortune to think outside of a racist box, and reflect on things that are taboo in the extreme militant's world.


Heru, do you realize you are guilty of the same thing you are criticizing others for?

When you say that you have escaped the racist box and you have done so based upon your EXPERIENCE?
 
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20 @ this whole thread. Where did this come from? I'm in tears!!!

Heru beat me to the punch on this one. I was about to type up a whole expose' on oshun after seeing that pic of her with that super dark dude in the dashiki. Come on now. And nobody sees the reverse superficial shallowness? DAMN!!!

Trying to find the blackest dude on Earth to compensate for your own melanin deficiencies is just as bad as a dark-skinned brother trying to find the most high yella sister with the longest, most processed hair he can find to compensate for his surplus of melanin. Siting of another double-standard: If a dark-skinned brother seeks out a high yella sister with long hair, then he's a low-down, color struck, dirty bastard but when a light-skinned sister seeks out the darkest dude she can find, then she's supposed to be revered as the saviour of the black race, a true african american, a proponent for afrocentricity. 18


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20 @ this whole thread. Where did this come from? I'm in tears!!!

Heru beat me to the punch on this one. I was about to type up a whole expose' on oshun after seeing that pic of her with that super dark dude in the dashiki. Come on now. And nobody sees the reverse superficial shallowness? DAMN!!!

Trying to find the blackest dude on Earth to compensate for your own melanin deficiencies is just as bad as a dark-skinned brother trying to find the most high yella sister with the longest, most processed hair he can find to compensate for his surplus of melanin. Siting of another double-standard: If a dark-skinned brother seeks out a high yella sister with long hair, then he's a low-down, color struck, dirty bastard but when a light-skinned sister seeks out the darkest dude she can find, then she's supposed to be revered as the saviour of the black race, a true african american, a proponent for afrocentricity. 18


lol 20 appl standing ovation appl


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Mannnn, OA ... what did you do/say to receive such an extensive ... albeit rather ridiculous ... tribute such as this, SistaGirl?? Smile It must have been devastatingly effective! Eek Big Grin


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I'm neither anti-socialist nor ultra-capitalist. I'm anti- herds of militant drones lining up to follow unprecedented trendy social and economic policies.


This is strange coming from you, because you seem to have no problem at all being snuggly embedded in that same type "herd" when it comes to religion. 19


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Show me a man who mindlessly attacks a woman with some bullshit assumptions he made regarding a photograph... and I'll show you a man who's still waiting for his balls to drop.


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Mannnn, OA ... what did you do/say to receive such an extensive ... albeit rather ridiculous ... tribute such as this, SistaGirl?? Smile It must have been devastatingly effective! Eek Big Grin


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Originally posted by HeruStar:
I'm neither anti-socialist nor ultra-capitalist. I'm anti- herds of militant drones lining up to follow unprecedented trendy social and economic policies.


This is strange coming from you, because you seem to have no problem at all being snuggly embedded in that same type "herd" when it comes to religion. 19



And this is a really interesting observation about self-proclaimed "individuals" ... because these are usually among the most thoroughly conventional people ... who even as they castigate others about so-called herd behavior ... are neck deep in bull/cattle/herd sh*t themselves ....





I'M AN ELITIST TOO.

 
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I just wanna point out that no one on this board could really be called an EXTREMIST.

leftist, socialist, nationalist maybe

but EXTREMIST?

nah...





When we speak we are afraid our words will not be heard or welcomed. But when we are silent, we are still afraid. So it is better to speak

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If you're not contributing to the DECONSTRUCTION of Extreme militant perspective, or backing said perspective...

By all means PISS OFF!

Black Viking,
Since when did "The Big House" become a venue for chivalry?

EbonyRose,
If you're feeling left out I could hook you up with a place of your own in the Big House. Maybe you can prove I'm apart of a similar herd.

NegroSpiritual,
Extreme is relative. Case closed.

HonestBrother,
You already had a chance to "school me" in the Big House... you punked out so.... You know what to do. tfro

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If you're going to be a superhero and put extreme militancy on a pedastle... Come with it!!!

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Where's the PROOF of successful quasi-socialist countries?

Where's the PROOF of successful nationalism?That one's easy... USA! tfro

Where's the PRECEDENCE for black nationalism? Pan-Africanism?

Where's th PROOF of Oshun SUFFERING from colourism?

Where's the PROOF of anyone in AMERICA suffering from being too dark... or too light?


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If you're going to make side/snide remarks....

As a matter of fact bring those too.


THAT TYPE OF HONESTY IS BELOW MY PAYGRADE.
 
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The man who wants to have his Ankh and eat it too ...

In other words, he wants to continue to converse with himself ... while pretending to sound profound and meaningful...

He's pretty good at it.

Carry on. Smile





I'M AN ELITIST TOO.

 
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HonestBrother,
You already had a chance to "school me" in the Big House... you punked out so....


I didn't "punk out".

I wised up and decided not to waste my precious time on a lost cause ...

I'm fairly busy.





I'M AN ELITIST TOO.

 
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Is this mathematically accurate?

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In other words, he wants to continue to converse with himself .


Heru's Posts/ Dumb extreme militant responses = Percentage of people who are engaged in seeing me converse with myself.


THAT TYPE OF HONESTY IS BELOW MY PAYGRADE.
 
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I didn't "punk out".

I wised up and decided not to waste my precious time on a lost cause ...

I'm fairly busy


You've got some convenient free time here. I'm just saying...

Why is this cause so convenient?

Are you going to actually contribute to this cause?


THAT TYPE OF HONESTY IS BELOW MY PAYGRADE.
 
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Is this mathematically accurate?

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In other words, he wants to continue to converse with himself .


Heru's Posts/ Dumb extreme militant responses = Percentage of people who are engaged in seeing me converse with myself.



You converse with yourself.

NO MATTER WHAT anyone who responds to you says.

No matter how reasonable someone else tries to be.

No matter how much someone tries to moderate their own position (and I've tried) in order to communicate with you, you are going to see exactly what you want to see.

I guess this is why you now seem to be copying that G-D idiot Romulus and his stupid rhetorical devices.

I mean ... you're throwing empty phrases around ... I guess because you think they make you seem more intelligent and formidable.

When, for example, you CONSTANTLY characterize anyone who disagree with you as an "extreme militant" (the SAME vacuous phrase OVER AND OVER AND OVER again) - which is extraordinarily empty of content (even you agreed that it's meaning is "relative"- that's a sure sign that you're conversing with yourself.

It really doesn't matter how many people are on a thread responding.

It's waste of time ... unless they just so happen to have time to waste.





I'M AN ELITIST TOO.

 
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You can't be serious. You need proof of this?

Or is this a rhetorical/loaded question.

How'bout you start first by 'defining' suffering.


NO it's NOT a rhetorical question. Peep the context.

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HB,

This isn't the first time I tried to get some CLARITY in the Big House. You might wanna check my previous Big House topics.

So as far as "copying" someone. I assure you, you CAN'T prove that either. As a matter of fact if you actually contrasted the style/verse/format/syncopation/rhythm/dramatic pause/use of language... you'd SEE how ignorant and whiny your sentiment is.

Stop crying, and back your nonsense.


THAT TYPE OF HONESTY IS BELOW MY PAYGRADE.
 
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Just came from the day spa... for a facial and eyebrow shaping.. the lady who did my facial was from Israel.. she says...
verbatim.. I held the words all the way here...

"you're so pretty, but you've got sun spots..."

keep in my mind I'm a very dark complected woman so.. I'm like "sun spots????"..

she says "yes.. see here? where I did your eyebrows it is light... this is your true color"..


she hands me the mirror... I look like one color to me... she says "just a little lightner applied on your face for about a month and you will see your true color .. it fast[sic]"

The bottle of "lightner" by the way is priced at $68.00!!!!!!!!!


I actually liked her until now...

I'm not sure what to say I feel like typing... I get really sick of life like this sometimes...

It's like, you're pretty except for this onnnnnneeee flaw... clear up that dark skin...


Peace,
Khalliqa

"The Goddess emerges as the evanescence of the inferior dissipates.... "
 
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It's gotten to the point where your responses can be predicted:

"It was to be expected"

or

"you're extreme"

etc. etc etc.

There's very little thought in your responses.

You resort to these rhetorical devices which I suppose you learned watch FOX news ... But it's really no way to have an intelligent conversation.

I mean why should I waste time ACTUALLY THINKING and then typing out a response to you when all you're going to say is "That was to be expected"????

Anyway, carry on ... I got stuff to do.





I'M AN ELITIST TOO.

 
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So as far as "copying" someone. I assure you, you CAN'T prove that either.



Whether you're intentionally copying or not ...

It's still no way to have an intelligent conversation....

AND it's CERTAINLY nothing to brag on being original about...





I'M AN ELITIST TOO.

 
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I mean why should I waste time ACTUALLY THINKING and then typing out a response to you when all you're going to say is "That was to be expected"????



YOU TELL ME. Why do you bother? Especially when I've got a special place prepared for you to BOTHER.

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Khalliqua,

If you were light, she would've been trying to sell you some tan lotion/spray or something to darken "bring out" your features.

Capitalism is colorless.


THAT TYPE OF HONESTY IS BELOW MY PAYGRADE.
 
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