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A1 |
 @Oshun. *cough* ad infinum *cough*
The joys of a militant euphoria.  "Creating" unconditional intimacy with diametrically opposed agendas. Ridiculing religous myths, while believing in political/social myths. If we can't "create" solidarity/unity, we may as well "make it up". In our deluded minds.
I reserve the right to reject extremist claims, while acknowledging racism. The fact that you don't feel that that position is possible, is indicative of your EXTREME understanding. Your ideological assumptions about race and gender are myths... tall-tales, that are becoming more extreme every interraction you have with opposition.
JUST SOME WORKING DEFINITIONS.  THAT TYPE OF HONESTY IS BELOW MY PAYGRADE. |
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I noticed you couldn't actually give any *facts* to proove anything in my precious post wrong... but are knee deep in irrelevent personal attacks... quite telling...
 are you talking about?
So in Heru's world this is 'myth' too? Skin tone more important than educational background for African Americans seeking jobs Okey-dokey!
Yah, and since you choose to believe things even when evidence of those beliefs being false are RIGHT IN YOUR FACE...You need to really study the above definitions... You need to get some help... seriously.... watching you devolve like this is sad... just sad... Egungun, Egungun ni t'aiye ati jo! Ancestos, Ancestors come to earth and dance! "I'm sick of the war and the civilization that created it. Let's look to our dreams, and the magical; to the creations of the so-called primitive peoples for new inspirations." - Jaques Vache and Andre Breton "Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone." -John Maynard "You know that in our country there were even matriarchal societies where women were the most important element. On the Bijagos islands they had queens. They were not queens because they were the daughters of kings. They had queens succeeding queens. The religious leaders were women too..." -- Amilcar Cabral, Return to the Source, 1973    |
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Uhmmm... how about the encyclopedia. I'll repost it since you missed it.
Now tell me that the Columbia Encyclopedia is NOT a reliable source. Let me repost the popular use of the word myth
I don't know about "facts" about matriarchalism. But I will tell you that we should let the pro's deal with them. As in anthropologist. As in people who study the "facts". Rather than your biased opinion. THAT TYPE OF HONESTY IS BELOW MY PAYGRADE. |
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I'm devolving? How so?  THAT TYPE OF HONESTY IS BELOW MY PAYGRADE. |
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"Feminist" as in Biased. "exist at one time" as in "once upon a time, long ago, in a land filled with peace and prosperity, where humans slept with lions, and communicated with insects". "Primitive" as in, before the women realized that they weren't ruling jack diddly. THAT TYPE OF HONESTY IS BELOW MY PAYGRADE. |
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 I posted as link too...read it? BTW encyclopedias get corrected all the time. How do encyclopedias picture the Egyptians again? You seem to forget that the current power structure dominates most of what is 'acceptable' in fields of anthropology ect. The victors write history... Egungun, Egungun ni t'aiye ati jo! Ancestos, Ancestors come to earth and dance! "I'm sick of the war and the civilization that created it. Let's look to our dreams, and the magical; to the creations of the so-called primitive peoples for new inspirations." - Jaques Vache and Andre Breton "Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone." -John Maynard "You know that in our country there were even matriarchal societies where women were the most important element. On the Bijagos islands they had queens. They were not queens because they were the daughters of kings. They had queens succeeding queens. The religious leaders were women too..." -- Amilcar Cabral, Return to the Source, 1973 |
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The 7th edition hasn't hit yet... might be out late 2008... but until then  Let me guess... You bet I believe "everything I read"? Does that reflect your sentiment?
My bad... I'll make the necessary adjustment Facts have shown that matriarchalism is only 99.9999999999999999999999999999999997% myth. Of the nearly 6.8 billion people in the world, about roughly 1 million people live in a societies that resemble what matriarchy would look like... if it existed. So 0.0000000000000000000000000000000003% of the population must be PROOF that there WAS and IS "successful" matriarchal societies. I stand corrected. THAT TYPE OF HONESTY IS BELOW MY PAYGRADE. |
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Were you "thinking of sticking it to the man"? The cat has arrived, rats disappear. Yoruba proverb. |
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Speaking of 'leaving it to the experts... I work in a library. There is innacurate ish in encyclopedias all the time. I don't think you beleive everything you read... I think you selectively read things that support what you have decided on believing in the first place. BTW, why no answer to the question I gave? "How do encyclopedias picture the Egyptians again?" Does it puch a giant gaping whole in your logic(or lack thereof) and the source you are using? They must find it difficult .... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority - Gerald Massey
So something that you admit exists is a myth... Okey-Dokey... BTW, when something get's purposely stamped out, it usually only exists in small numbers. It's no coincidence that those matriarchal societies that still exist are in remote locations... Q: What part of the earth hasn't been touched by the MUTLIPLE WAVES of patriarchal white supremacy, and the religions that accompanied it's multiple waves of invasions, it'smost recent being colonialism/imperialism? A: very little Analoguy: There are few 'successful socialist societies' also, largely because they are under constant attack by capitalism... and it just so happens that capitalist imperialism destroyed the previously existing communal societies(socialism at a smaller scale) that existed for millenia before it's 'intrusion/invasion'. Capitalism also likes to think 'might is right too'... Sometimes, the ideological constructs you stick to are so much like the enemy's it's frightenning... But I understand that most don't want to even consider the possibility of a time where there wasn't privilege under patriarchy... even if it means loosing site of possible societal alternatives that could very well liberate us... Egungun, Egungun ni t'aiye ati jo! Ancestos, Ancestors come to earth and dance! "I'm sick of the war and the civilization that created it. Let's look to our dreams, and the magical; to the creations of the so-called primitive peoples for new inspirations." - Jaques Vache and Andre Breton "Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone." -John Maynard "You know that in our country there were even matriarchal societies where women were the most important element. On the Bijagos islands they had queens. They were not queens because they were the daughters of kings. They had queens succeeding queens. The religious leaders were women too..." -- Amilcar Cabral, Return to the Source, 1973 |
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Warning: Shameless flirting ahead *Cough*...Ehem... Awo Fagunwa, I haven't forgotten... Our Ideal AA.org Women!!!
and from other threads....
  BTW, is Fagunwa the cognitive of Ifa Egun Wale? Egungun, Egungun ni t'aiye ati jo! Ancestos, Ancestors come to earth and dance! "I'm sick of the war and the civilization that created it. Let's look to our dreams, and the magical; to the creations of the so-called primitive peoples for new inspirations." - Jaques Vache and Andre Breton "Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone." -John Maynard "You know that in our country there were even matriarchal societies where women were the most important element. On the Bijagos islands they had queens. They were not queens because they were the daughters of kings. They had queens succeeding queens. The religious leaders were women too..." -- Amilcar Cabral, Return to the Source, 1973 |
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Don't test me OA because I will come to Texas and handle my business. I have some free time coming up in July can you pick me up at the airport?
 Are you studying yoruba? That's pretty impressive. The cat has arrived, rats disappear. Yoruba proverb. |
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Shoot, I'm single and I missed flirting with you... Test: DFW or Love field? 
We sometimes have Yoruba lessons during our Ile/Egbe meetings... The Babalawo and other elder initiates are always quizzing us, speaking to us mainly In Yoruba (as much as possible) so those of us who haven't been yet, won't be completely lost in Abeokuta... The omo really pick it up fast! Egungun, Egungun ni t'aiye ati jo! Ancestos, Ancestors come to earth and dance! "I'm sick of the war and the civilization that created it. Let's look to our dreams, and the magical; to the creations of the so-called primitive peoples for new inspirations." - Jaques Vache and Andre Breton "Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone." -John Maynard "You know that in our country there were even matriarchal societies where women were the most important element. On the Bijagos islands they had queens. They were not queens because they were the daughters of kings. They had queens succeeding queens. The religious leaders were women too..." -- Amilcar Cabral, Return to the Source, 1973 |
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Sista Oshun, Darlin, you don't need to "say it"...HowEver, TO ME (and I hope you are open to "hearing" this because I suspect others may be reflecting this as well given the very title of this thread...and my having witnessed some other rumifications on your various "stances"), this is what comes across when you place your arguments before the forum. MoreOver, the "back and forth" volley of argumentation that goes on within the threads displays a desire to argue for the sake of arguing and/or the desire to "have the last word"/"be right" on a subject. I realize that passion for an issue can drive one to take their viewpoint to the mat, but I've had to learn that too much passion can blind us at times, and in fact, drive people away from the very points we are trying to convey to them. It is all about EI, Emotional Intelligence. While I know you will assert that you do not use your emotion in your arguments, I will block that right here because we all use emotion within our arguments at times; it's natural and can actually be a good tool to persuade others when we use emotion correctly. I'm just saying that we all can shine at the table...issues do not need to render one or more of us as either "right" or "wrong"...just individuals with differing viewpoints. "Wisdom Is A Woman Reasoning!" "Don't talk about it: BE ABOUT IT!" "To BE One, ASK ONE!" -OES |
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The thread starter's opinion counts very little to me because he made a similar rant about HB who doesn't come off anything like I do IMO. And I may be taking this wrong... but the 'darlin' openning comes off as patronizing.
I argue/debate a point when someone isn't backing up their position with facts. I look at it as "Iron sharpens Iron"... I like to learn and develop my ideas. If there is no 'back and forth'(a.k.a debate) that can't happen. That's part of what discussion boards are for no? I don't 'have to be right', and openly admit when I am in error and even apologize if necessary,(unlike the thread starter) so I won't take that criticism.
I come off quite differently in person I suppose... but I am passionate, particularly about the ancestors... So in our interaction, we had a back and forth because of the 'demonizing' ect. I am VERY passionate about that. Always have been and always will be with no apology, it's part of my destiny...
Me claim to be unemotional?... Never... Now I will say that I deal with things on an ideological and not personal level, unless someone 'takes me there'... Then I do clown... but emotion is always present. When someone says things like the ancestral ways are demonic or from the devil. Or says to RB(of all people) "Don't let evil have the last word." I think they may want to check their own EI. Hypocracy and a consistantly patronizing 'advice giving' attitude isn't a good conbo IMO.
But... when someone makes things a 'right/wrong' 'evil/good' paradigm and are coming from an exclusivist point of view, while simultaneously claiming not to, and after all of that not even be abe to back up their opinion with any facts... I gots to clown or disengage. Prey tell... Why havn't other posters recieved such advice from you? I can think of a few people who need to keep their emotions in check... Emotions that have little to do with any passion for a particular 'issue'... but for some reason they are off of your radar... Odd.
Egungun, Egungun ni t'aiye ati jo! Ancestos, Ancestors come to earth and dance! "I'm sick of the war and the civilization that created it. Let's look to our dreams, and the magical; to the creations of the so-called primitive peoples for new inspirations." - Jaques Vache and Andre Breton "Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone." -John Maynard "You know that in our country there were even matriarchal societies where women were the most important element. On the Bijagos islands they had queens. They were not queens because they were the daughters of kings. They had queens succeeding queens. The religious leaders were women too..." -- Amilcar Cabral, Return to the Source, 1973 |
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LOL...I'd generally agree with that...but I think you and I both can assert that too much iron sharpening is just one hot mess! For Real!
Not really...you neva have to clown. What makes something an "exlusionist point of view" varies from individual to individual, as each individual decides what they consider to be "exclusionistic"..... MoreOver, the premises of "right" and "wrong" are also subjective as individuals figure out what "right" means to them and what "wrong" means to them...I realize that society in general holds general "standards" of what is considered to BE "right" or "wrong,"...but we all see the state of the current society don't we? LOL... "Wisdom Is A Woman Considering!" "Don't talk about it: BE ABOUT IT!" "To BE One, ASK ONE!" -OES |
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I edited my post... Seriously, was "Don't let evil have the last word." not a clown? Me thinks some people get their clown on on the sly and think others miss it... Egungun, Egungun ni t'aiye ati jo! Ancestos, Ancestors come to earth and dance! "I'm sick of the war and the civilization that created it. Let's look to our dreams, and the magical; to the creations of the so-called primitive peoples for new inspirations." - Jaques Vache and Andre Breton "Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone." -John Maynard "You know that in our country there were even matriarchal societies where women were the most important element. On the Bijagos islands they had queens. They were not queens because they were the daughters of kings. They had queens succeeding queens. The religious leaders were women too..." -- Amilcar Cabral, Return to the Source, 1973 |
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