We might as well just keep it to one thread.

Topic 1 - National Health care.

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This is the plan the Federal government wants to follow.

Imagine you kid has cancer and they do not meet the 5% rule. Well i am sorry you have cancer, but we will not treat you , but we will kill you

http:
//www.douglassreport.com/dailydose/dd200807/dd20080716a.html

To those who do not want to click this is a summary. We cant treat your cancer but we will pay to allow a dr to kill you.

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Too funny!

Dude, if you want to beef with Nmag... all you have to do is hang around and spout dumb shit for a while.

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Originally posted by Black Viking:
Too funny!

Dude, if you want to beef with Nmag... all you have to do is hang around and spout dumb shit for a while.

Ah...perhaps you missed something, BK. I have nothing but luv for Nmag. It's this new CF, Jlokes, I was referring to.

D, I'm pretty sure BV was referring to Jlokes given the "call out" in the title of the thread.

Dayum, hater-trolls don't understand that they don't set the terms EVERYWHERE?

Oregon Health Plan is a different type or animal, we have a foster child living with us and he is assigned a doctor and dentist to see, thats right, assigned there is no choice in the matter. Its especially frustrating in that my wife is a registed nurse who makes it a point that each doctor our family would see is one that other health professionals would take their family members to.

I'm waiting for the next open season with my federal health benefits so I can legally enroll him in my health plan and use the doctors that we prefer.

Aren't foster children wards of the county?? That is the most likely reason the doctor would be assigned.

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Originally posted by nuggyt:
Aren't foster children wards of the county?? That is the most likely reason the doctor would be assigned.

Foster children are usually wards of the state, not the county. The foster parent is the approved nonrelative caregiver although the state retains legal custody

but

why shouldn't a "ward" have a choice?

Actually foster child is a misnomer, the mother couldn't live with him or him with her so she essentially gave him to us to raise. He had been in our home before with his other 5 brothers and sisters as foster children, but in this case the state is not officially involved other then the Oregon Health Care Plan because I could not enroll him under my plan.

On a interesting side note, under Oregon law since I am providing his care and he does have a mother, the state of Oregon was going to sue the mother for child support and send it to me. It took two phone calls to the Oregon Child Welfare people to get the child support order turned off. Mom is unemployed, has an addiction and three other kids living with her, she doesn't have the child support to give and frankly with my wife and I's income we didn't need it but it was still a shock to actually receive the paperwork on what they were going to do on my behalf.

I still do not see how the federal government, the same body that runs everything inefficient, is supposed to make health care better ?

Now granted, i do not want to deny anyone health care, but i don't want the feds telling me who can administer me or my child and what they have the budget to administer.

I would hate to have the feds tell me "your child has leukemia", we don't want to give him the treatment because he does not meet the standards some bureaucrat made up.

Everyone believes in the feds way more then me i guess. I cant think of a program they have improved.

The moment people become dependent on the state is the day you deal with inefficiency.

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i do not want to deny anyone health care, but i don't want the feds telling me who can administer me or my child and what they have the budget to administer.

I would hate to have the feds tell me "your child has leukemia", we don't want to give him the treatment because he does not meet the standards some bureaucrat made up.

That argument is soooo fallacious ...

I suppose that you are OK with some profit-motivated corporation telling you that "your child has leukemia", we don't want to give him the treatment because doing so would not allow us to maximumize our share-holder value. Oh yeah, we are denying your claim based on a standard that some bureaucrat made up.

What makes you think that the government is not efficient? Haliburton? The government bureaucracies are not nearly as fucked up as government contractors are, especially the ones owned and operated by republican donors.

The most fucked up thing about the government are republicans

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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:

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i do not want to deny anyone health care, but i don't want the feds telling me who can administer me or my child and what they have the budget to administer.

I would hate to have the feds tell me "your child has leukemia", we don't want to give him the treatment because he does not meet the standards some bureaucrat made up.

That argument is soooo fallacious ...

I suppose that you are OK with some profit-motivated corporation telling you that "your child has leukemia", we don't want to give him the treatment because doing so would not allow us to maximumize our share-holder value. Oh yeah, we are denying your claim based on a standard that some bureaucrat made up.

I base this on my experiences. Private insurance has helped people i know through Leukemia, lung cancer, and many other small illnesses. I was presently surprised that the horror stories i have read about insurance companies did not apply. On the other hand i have had to deal with the feds and everything is a bureaucratically nightmare.

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I base this on my experiences. Private insurance has helped people i know through Leukemia, lung cancer, and many other small illnesses. I was presently surprised that the horror stories i have read about insurance companies did not apply.

Somehow I just don't fu@king believe that.

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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:

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I base this on my experiences. Private insurance has helped people i know through Leukemia, lung cancer, and many other small illnesses. I was presently surprised that the horror stories i have read about insurance companies did not apply.

Somehow I just don't fu@king believe that.

Yes i am lying.

Sean Hunter did not live through Leukemia

My father did not pass away from lung cancer

I have not had to deal with multiple ear infections/punctured ear drum/strep throat/colds that look like pneumonia/broken clavicle/broken ankles/broken wrist.

I just made all this shit up. The fact is that if an individual takes care of themselves and their dependents the USA health care is the best in the world (well maybe the Swiss have better dr's, but i have not had a problem)

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Originally posted by jlokes:

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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:

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I base this on my experiences. Private insurance has helped people i know through Leukemia, lung cancer, and many other small illnesses. I was presently surprised that the horror stories i have read about insurance companies did not apply.

Somehow I just don't fu@king believe that.

Yes i am lying.

Sean Hunter did not live through Leukemia

My father did not pass away from lung cancer

I have not had to deal with multiple ear infections/punctured ear drum/strep throat/colds that look like pneumonia/broken clavicle/broken ankles/broken wrist.

I just made all this shit up. The fact is that if an individual takes care of themselves and their dependents the USA health care is the best in the world (well maybe the Swiss have better dr's, but i have not had a problem)

well that's great that you've had a positive personal experience but your 1 ANECDOTAL account does not erase the many problematic incidents that thousands if not millions of other citizens have had.

Your experience cannot be generalized to everyone...

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Originally posted by negrospiritual:

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Originally posted by jlokes:

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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:

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I base this on my experiences. Private insurance has helped people i know through Leukemia, lung cancer, and many other small illnesses. I was presently surprised that the horror stories i have read about insurance companies did not apply.

Somehow I just don't fu@king believe that.

Yes i am lying.

Sean Hunter did not live through Leukemia

My father did not pass away from lung cancer

I have not had to deal with multiple ear infections/punctured ear drum/strep throat/colds that look like pneumonia/broken clavicle/broken ankles/broken wrist.

I just made all this shit up. The fact is that if an individual takes care of themselves and their dependents the USA health care is the best in the world (well maybe the Swiss have better dr's, but i have not had a problem)

well that's great that you've had a positive personal experience but your 1 ANECDOTAL account does not erase the many problematic incidents that thousands if not millions of other citizens have had.

Your experience cannot be generalized to everyone...

That is true. health care is not a privilege.

I am going to put this shit out right away cause i know, i sound like a dick, but my father worked 3 jobs to give us this protection.

It also sucked because i broke my collar bone right after i was old to not being covered by his shit (19) i had to pay 3500 for my broken collar bone.
If i had to pay for that shit making 5.25 an hour everyone else can.

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Originally posted by jlokes:

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Originally posted by negrospiritual:

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Originally posted by jlokes:

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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:

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I base this on my experiences. Private insurance has helped people i know through Leukemia, lung cancer, and many other small illnesses. I was presently surprised that the horror stories i have read about insurance companies did not apply.

Somehow I just don't fu@king believe that.

Yes i am lying.

Sean Hunter did not live through Leukemia

My father did not pass away from lung cancer

I have not had to deal with multiple ear infections/punctured ear drum/strep throat/colds that look like pneumonia/broken clavicle/broken ankles/broken wrist.

I just made all this shit up. The fact is that if an individual takes care of themselves and their dependents the USA health care is the best in the world (well maybe the Swiss have better dr's, but i have not had a problem)

well that's great that you've had a positive personal experience but your 1 ANECDOTAL account does not erase the many problematic incidents that thousands if not millions of other citizens have had.

Your experience cannot be generalized to everyone...

That is true. health care is not a privilege.

I am going to put this shit out right away cause i know, i sound like a dick, but my father worked 3 jobs to give us this protection.

It also sucked because i broke my collar bone right after i was old to not being covered by his shit (19) i had to pay 3500 for my broken collar bone.
If i had to pay for that shit making 5.25 an hour everyone else can.

That's a lot of work you did there...Health care is needed for all people, it needs to be a privilege. The U.S government can spend $2 Billion dollars every 2 weeks in Iraq, they can afford health care. lol

Your forget, that everyone is against Iraq.


There is no reason that everyone is granted health care. People that take care of themselves and pay for health care should get health care.

There is a country you can deal with , it is called Canada.