AFter a long hiatus, Brotha Founder comes back on the radio show with BS. First he admits that he didn't read through the Father's Day thread and he hasn't watched the whole video clip, BUT that doesn't stop him from going on to pronounce that Obama just can't win with " some folks", that "some folks" are naive about presidential politics, and that Obama isn't running for "king of america".

SOME FOLKS find it easier to trot out the formulaic responses rather than entertain anything that might be inconsistent with their preconceived notions i guess.

Some folks operate strictly on the talking points...

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Originally posted by negrospiritual:
AFter a long hiatus, Brotha Founder comes back on the radio show with BS. First he admits that he didn't read through the Father's Day thread and he hasn't watched the whole video clip, BUT that doesn't stop him from going on to pronounce that Obama just can't win with " some folks", that "some folks" are naive about presidential politics, and that Obama isn't running for "king of america".

SOME FOLKS find it easier to trot out the formulaic responses rather than entertain anything that might be inconsistent with their preconceived notions i guess.

Some folks operate strictly on the talking points...

Speaking as someone who cast a vote for Obama:

We need to be willing to criticize him. That is .. unless you don't want anything from a black president other than the very fact of having a black president.

If he's going to be "everyone's president" then we'll need to be willing to agitate to get our issues heard.

However, If he's not going to be strictly "colorblind" then he needs to do so equitably. The difficult racial truths can't be saved for black folks alone. As if there were no difficult racial truths to be told to white folks.

You can say, "That's what he needs to do."

But I can say, "That might be so ... but you're a damned fool if you're happy about it."

We're going to need to be able to separate love for/pride in family ... from being about our business .... just as easily as Obama separated himself from Wright.

Having said that, I listened to the Father's Day speech. It was a good speech. However I also understand why some people are not happy with it.

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I'M AN ELITIST TOO.

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Originally posted by negrospiritual:
AFter a long hiatus, Brotha Founder comes back on the radio show with BS. First he admits that he didn't read through the Father's Day thread and he hasn't watched the whole video clip, BUT that doesn't stop him from going on to pronounce that Obama just can't win with " some folks", that "some folks" are naive about presidential politics, and that Obama isn't running for "king of america".

SOME FOLKS find it easier to trot out the formulaic responses rather than entertain anything that might be inconsistent with their preconceived notions i guess.

When even "believers" are chastised ... you begin to suspect we've reached a point where some folks are not so much defending a candidate for political office ... as defending an orthodoxy.

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Originally posted by HonestBrother:

We need to be willing to criticize him. That is .. unless you don't want anything from a black president other than the very fact of having a black president.

I did that. Got (repeatedly) called a "hater" for it, though.

Cuzz you were hatin...

Did you call in NS?

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Originally posted by EbonyRose:

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Originally posted by HonestBrother:

We need to be willing to criticize him. That is .. unless you don't want anything from a black president other than the very fact of having a black president.

I did that. Got (repeatedly) called a "hater" for it, though.

There's criticism ... and then there's insanity.

If you check the post history, I was one of the early critics of Obama ... and I've never in fact been rabidly pro-Obama.

However, when people started to lose their frickin mind and throw everything including the kitchen sink at the man (made worse by the perception of pro-Clinton bias) ... I must say that I felt the need to argue on his behalf.

I still hope that it would be possible for balanced critique of Obama to exist side by side with arguments which run counter to his most vehement detractors.

But if Noah the African (for instance) really wanted this board to become more critical of Obama, the very best favor he could do himself for the sake of furthering his own cause ... is to shut the f*ck up. His scattershot anti-Obama for the sake of anti-black president "analysis" actually has the effect of crystallizing pro-Obama sentiment.

Well, at least now I do not *hate* alone!

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Originally posted by HonestBrother:
If you check the post history, I was one of the early critics of Obama ... and I've never in fact been rabidly pro-Obama.

I wasn't directing that comment at you.

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However, when people started to lose their frickin mind and throw everything including the kitchen sink at the man (made worse by the perception of pro-Clinton bias) ... I must say that I felt the need to argue on his behalf.

And I had the same intent when it came to any defense I made of Hillary.

I know you don't agree, but, I saw Clinton as a viable candidate (at least viable enough to stay in the fight until she lost it - as evidenced by the 18 million votes she collected along the way!). But, just to say she was *viable* is not the equivalent of saying she is/was the best choice or that Obama was an inadequate one.

I think the fact that the two were so closely issue-related had to bring one's ultimate decision down to personal choice. I didn't have one (during the primary season) .. but I was given one by default (criticism of Obama defaulted to support for Hillary = being a *hater*).

I also think *critique* and *criticism* are not one in the same. In learning more about him, *critiquing* his words/actions was, for me, necessary in order to understand who he is/was and where he was coming from. "Criticizing" some of those actions (such as throwing his 20-year pastor relationship under the bus for White approval) happened on a much smaller scale, though.

In the end (or perhaps I should say so far), It has always been my opinion that he's a good guy and would make a good president. I'm just not sure that's been heard over my *hate*. But it is what it is.

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Originally posted by HonestBrother:

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Originally posted by negrospiritual:
AFter a long hiatus, Brotha Founder comes back on the radio show with BS. First he admits that he didn't read through the Father's Day thread and he hasn't watched the whole video clip, BUT that doesn't stop him from going on to pronounce that Obama just can't win with " some folks", that "some folks" are naive about presidential politics, and that Obama isn't running for "king of america".

SOME FOLKS find it easier to trot out the formulaic responses rather than entertain anything that might be inconsistent with their preconceived notions i guess.

When even "believers" are chastised ... you begin to suspect we've reached a point where some folks are not so much defending a candidate for political office ... as defending an orthodoxy.

Initially I was indifferent to Obama because although i was proud of him for being in the senate, i viewed his rise as a media phenomenon. Eventually there was a point when i became very excited about Obama. He would irk me with the occasional unneccessary statement but every political candidate makes gaffes. I signed up for emails from the campaign. I viewed that darn "Yes We Can" video about a million times I sent clips of his appearances around to family and friends. I even defended the brotha during the Rev Wright incident because he "had to do that to win". This is why i find those "he just can't win with some folks" or "some folks are so politically naive" or "not black enough/too black" type statements to be silly, reflexive responses.

That sort of excitement about him as a "better, different, more in touch with reality kind of candidate with more integrity than other politicians" has faded. Still, i'll probably have to vote for him in November. My reasons for supporting him in November would be simply to keep a republican out of the whitehouse and to name supreme court justices.

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Originally posted by urbansun:
Cuzz you were hatin...

Did you call in NS?

Nope. I work late on thursdays and did not hear the show until late last night/early this morning.

I wonder if Bush or any other president was ever criticized for not being white enough?

It's one thing to give constructive criticism but quite another to be ready to drop the "Not black enough" card everytime the man blows his nose or wipes his ass.

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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
Well, at least now I do not *hate* alone!

I still "hate" Hillary

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Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:
I wonder if Bush or any other president was ever criticized for not being white enough?

It's one thing to give constructive criticism but quite another to be ready to drop the "Not black enough" card everytime the man blows his nose or wipes his ass.

Who is dropping the not black enough card?

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Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:
I wonder if Bush or any other president was ever criticized for not being white enough?

It's one thing to give constructive criticism but quite another to be ready to drop the "Not black enough" card everytime the man blows his nose or wipes his ass.

.....Maybe the Problem is that he is not white enough. Because there has never been soooo much controversy over a Presidential Candidate BEFORE. Black people have had no problem voting for wite people NONE!!! Even named one "The First Black President"......and you didn't hear a peep. So, HE MUST NOT BE WHITE ENUF!!!!

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Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:
I wonder if Bush or any other president was ever criticized for not being white enough?

Do you drink before you say dumb sh*t like that? Just asking.

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It's one thing to give constructive criticism but quite another to be ready to drop the "Not black enough" card everytime the man blows his nose or wipes his ass.

Or dodges/runs from/minimizes Black people and their issues .... or throws them under the first set of wheels that passes by ... or disses a room full of Black men on Father's Day ... or suggests that the way to American (racial) unity is to overlook White discriminatory practices and hold hands and sing Kumbaya over issues where we are disproportionately affected because of those very same racist practices?