Ibrahim (Ibrahim Gannibal a.k.a. Abram Hannibal) was treated as no less than a member of the royal family at court and, in the biographical notes on him written either by his wife or by someone in her family shortly after his death, the following statement is made:

"....he (Peter) wished to make examples of them and put (Russians) to shame by convincing them that out of every people and even from among wild men - such as Negores, whom our civilized nations assign exclusively to the class of slave, there can be formed men who by dint of application can obtain knowledge and learning and thus become helpful to their monarch."

Interestingly enough, the Gannibal was not the first black noble family of Russia. Because the name itself, "abach" means Abysissinian, the princely house of the Abachidze has long been known to be Ethiopian in origin. With the rise of Paata to political prominence in the early 17th century, they intermarried with and became lineal ancestors of the royal houses of Imerithia and Georgia of the Caucuses.

The Arapov also claim that they derived their name from the word, "arap" or arab, the Russian for Negro. Beginning in 1613, they have filled military posts as generals and such court positions as a governor and a member of the Ministry of Agriculture.

Another family that tradition and legend have traced back to Africa is that of the Axakov. They apparently came to Moscow in the entourage of Prince Danila Alexandrovitch of Souzdal,1251-1303.

An even earlier black immigrant was Chimon Afrkanovich who arrived in Russia at the beginning of the XI century and entered the service of the Grand Duke Iaroslav Vladimirovich of Kiev. A number of his descendants who carried the name, Isleniev, held high ranking positions in the army. Petr Alexeevitch, for example, was aide de camp to Catherine the Great.

Pushkin Genealogy

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Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:
Ibrahim (Ibrahim Gannibal a.k.a. Abram Hannibal) was treated as no less than a member of the royal family at court and, in the biographical notes on him written either by his wife or by someone in her family shortly after his death, the following statement is made:

"....he (Peter) wished to make examples of them and put (Russians) to shame by convincing them that out of every people and even from among wild men - such as Negores, whom our civilized nations assign exclusively to the class of slave, there can be formed men who by dint of application can obtain knowledge and learning and thus become helpful to their monarch."

Interestingly enough, the Gannibal was not the first black noble family of Russia. Because the name itself, "abach" means Abysissinian, the princely house of the Abachidze has long been known to be Ethiopian in origin. With the rise of Paata to political prominence in the early 17th century, they intermarried with and became lineal ancestors of the royal houses of Imerithia and Georgia of the Caucuses.

The Arapov also claim that they derived their name from the word, "arap" or arab, the Russian for Negro. Beginning in 1613, they have filled military posts as generals and such court positions as a governor and a member of the Ministry of Agriculture.

Another family that tradition and legend have traced back to Africa is that of the Axakov. They apparently came to Moscow in the entourage of Prince Danila Alexandrovitch of Souzdal,1251-1303.

An even earlier black immigrant was Chimon Afrkanovich who arrived in Russia at the beginning of the XI century and entered the service of the Grand Duke Iaroslav Vladimirovich of Kiev. A number of his descendants who carried the name, Isleniev, held high ranking positions in the army. Petr Alexeevitch, for example, was aide de camp to Catherine the Great.

Pushkin Genealogy

. . .very very interesting.

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Originally posted by Fabulous:

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Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:
Ibrahim (Ibrahim Gannibal a.k.a. Abram Hannibal) was treated as no less than a member of the royal family at court and, in the biographical notes on him written either by his wife or by someone in her family shortly after his death, the following statement is made:

"....he (Peter) wished to make examples of them and put (Russians) to shame by convincing them that out of every people and even from among wild men - such as Negores, whom our civilized nations assign exclusively to the class of slave, there can be formed men who by dint of application can obtain knowledge and learning and thus become helpful to their monarch."

Interestingly enough, the Gannibal was not the first black noble family of Russia. Because the name itself, "abach" means Abysissinian, the princely house of the Abachidze has long been known to be Ethiopian in origin. With the rise of Paata to political prominence in the early 17th century, they intermarried with and became lineal ancestors of the royal houses of Imerithia and Georgia of the Caucuses.

The Arapov also claim that they derived their name from the word, "arap" or arab, the Russian for Negro. Beginning in 1613, they have filled military posts as generals and such court positions as a governor and a member of the Ministry of Agriculture.

Another family that tradition and legend have traced back to Africa is that of the Axakov. They apparently came to Moscow in the entourage of Prince Danila Alexandrovitch of Souzdal,1251-1303.

An even earlier black immigrant was Chimon Afrkanovich who arrived in Russia at the beginning of the XI century and entered the service of the Grand Duke Iaroslav Vladimirovich of Kiev. A number of his descendants who carried the name, Isleniev, held high ranking positions in the army. Petr Alexeevitch, for example, was aide de camp to Catherine the Great.

Pushkin Genealogy

. . .very very interesting.

If you think that's interesting then check this out:

A contemporary chapter on Pushkin's lineage: The Mountbattens

A contemporary chapter on Pushkin's lineage: The Mountbattens
Although most of the above history is related in discussions about Pushkin's African ancestry, no works - at least those translated or written in English - have ever commented on the descendent of the great poet. And this, despite the fact that Joel Rogers in "Sex and Race" (a privately-published work which has turned into a cult classic) traced the line of one of Pushkin's daughters into the Mountbatten branch of the British Royal family.


...which also ties in the concept of Colin Powell's bloodline also originating from British Royalty. Now, as to which branch Powell's bloodline originates I have forgotten. I'd have to research that up again.

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Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:

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Originally posted by Fabulous:

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Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:
Ibrahim (Ibrahim Gannibal a.k.a. Abram Hannibal) was treated as no less than a member of the royal family at court and, in the biographical notes on him written either by his wife or by someone in her family shortly after his death, the following statement is made:

"....he (Peter) wished to make examples of them and put (Russians) to shame by convincing them that out of every people and even from among wild men - such as Negores, whom our civilized nations assign exclusively to the class of slave, there can be formed men who by dint of application can obtain knowledge and learning and thus become helpful to their monarch."

Interestingly enough, the Gannibal was not the first black noble family of Russia. Because the name itself, "abach" means Abysissinian, the princely house of the Abachidze has long been known to be Ethiopian in origin. With the rise of Paata to political prominence in the early 17th century, they intermarried with and became lineal ancestors of the royal houses of Imerithia and Georgia of the Caucuses.

The Arapov also claim that they derived their name from the word, "arap" or arab, the Russian for Negro. Beginning in 1613, they have filled military posts as generals and such court positions as a governor and a member of the Ministry of Agriculture.

Another family that tradition and legend have traced back to Africa is that of the Axakov. They apparently came to Moscow in the entourage of Prince Danila Alexandrovitch of Souzdal,1251-1303.

An even earlier black immigrant was Chimon Afrkanovich who arrived in Russia at the beginning of the XI century and entered the service of the Grand Duke Iaroslav Vladimirovich of Kiev. A number of his descendants who carried the name, Isleniev, held high ranking positions in the army. Petr Alexeevitch, for example, was aide de camp to Catherine the Great.

Pushkin Genealogy

. . .very very interesting.

If you think that's interesting then check this out:

A contemporary chapter on Pushkin's lineage: The Mountbattens

A contemporary chapter on Pushkin's lineage: The Mountbattens
Although most of the above history is related in discussions about Pushkin's African ancestry, no works - at least those translated or written in English - have ever commented on the descendent of the great poet. And this, despite the fact that Joel Rogers in "Sex and Race" (a privately-published work which has turned into a cult classic) traced the line of one of Pushkin's daughters into the Mountbatten branch of the British Royal family.


...which also ties in the concept of Colin Powell's bloodline also originating from British Royalty. Now, as to which branch Powell's bloodline originates I have forgotten. I'd have to research that up again.

I wonder if Colin Powell's bloodlines have ever been traced through his DNA...

as I'm sure you know. . .this method (DNA) is being used by black americans who are trying to trace their african tribe.

just curious. . .

this is all very interesting.

Ancestry of Gen. Colin Powell.

Just to give you an idea of how deep Colin's bloodline goes:

Edward III, King of England, b. Windsor Castle, Berkshire, 13 Nov. 1312, d. Sheen Palace, Surrey, 21 June 1377

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Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:
Ancestry of Gen. Colin Powell.

Just to give you an idea of how deep Colin's bloodline goes:

Edward III, King of England, b. Windsor Castle, Berkshire, 13 Nov. 1312, d. Sheen Palace, Surrey, 21 June 1377

Wow! Thanks for the link.

Romulus Burnett:

These are interesting posts.

My focus is identity.

How do you see this being applied to the identity of Colin Powell?

I see the specificity of the information with regard to Russian lineage.

More broadly, how do you see such information being useful to Americans of unknown African ancestry?

PEACE

Jim Chester

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Originally posted by James Wesley Chester:
Romulus Burnett:

These are interesting posts.

My focus is identity.

How do you see this being applied to the identity of Colin Powell?

I see the specificity of the information with regard to Russian lineage.

More broadly, how do you see such information being useful to Americans of unknown African ancestry?

PEACE

Jim Chester

You're right--and my focus is also not only identity but to de-mystify.

The purpose of my posting "Black Russia" as well as "Black Asia" is to inform those of us that may not be aware of the intricacies of our ancestry as it pertains to our European and Asian roots.

I'm kinda stuck right now with this work. Explain more later....

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Originally posted by James Wesley Chester:


How do you see this being applied to the identity of Colin Powell?

I see it being applied more to the identities of many other blacks in North America--not only Colin Powell's.



More broadly, how do you see such information being useful to Americans of unknown African ancestry?

I started laughing when I read this line, Chester. I was laughing because I immediately started thinking about Henry Louis Gates Jr. when he was disappointed to find out after having performed and extensive geneological search on his ancestry he found out his bloodline originated in Europe not Africa. A lot of black people that are doing these in depth DNA traces are finding out that just because they're black doesn't mean they are automatically decendants of Africa and it most definately doesn't mean they are any less black.