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Perhaps - or maybe she's just bored.   |
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If we were sitting face to face I hope my communications would take on a bit more weight.  I talked about this weeks ago.
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Ok! Let's add to that the 42% of Black men WHO DO NOT SUPPORT OBAMA. Plus the cornucopia of prominent black men giving endorsements to Massa's granddaughter. Shall we? When we speak we are afraid our words will not be heard or welcomed. But when we are silent, we are still afraid. So it is better to speak Audre Lord |
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more likely, puzzled by regurgitated hypocritical patriarchal bullship which conveniently ignores that almost half of the black men polled DO NoT Support The Black Man OBAMA, and at the same time, has not tried to explain the multiple high powered black male public endorsements of Missy Ann [vomit icon] [/vomit icon] When we speak we are afraid our words will not be heard or welcomed. But when we are silent, we are still afraid. So it is better to speak Audre Lord |
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MBM, you need to be cursed out.
YOU YOURSELF found it laughable to suggest that YOU a black man vote for sharpton or jackson or fulani because they were black. Your argument is moot. Is there a way for me to make a pre-recorded statement for the show?
When we speak we are afraid our words will not be heard or welcomed. But when we are silent, we are still afraid. So it is better to speak Audre Lord |
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Regurgitated? How so? I've asked the question about the difference in the support between men and women and what drives that difference. Who is regurgitating anything? Hypocritical? If you ever read, you've seen that I criticized the black male entertainers who supported Hillary as well as the SC state reps who sold thieer support to her. Perhaps YOU are the hypocritical one for not being concerned about the "divisiveness" of those commentaries. Patriarchal? LOL - I ask a question about black women and seek to get underneath their support of Hillary and you perceive patriarchy? That makes me wonder whether you really understand the concept. Bullship? If what I have asked is so lacking then why haven't you even attempted to answer it? All you do is cry about how patriarchal I am. ER says that its because Hillary is popular and because women like Bill. At least she engages in dialog about it. |
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Can you address the apparent comedy in suggesting that you yourself support a candidate based on color? When we speak we are afraid our words will not be heard or welcomed. But when we are silent, we are still afraid. So it is better to speak Audre Lord |
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Your response is quite illuminating!
First of all, I have not offered an argument. I have asked questions. I have suggested a point of view about the _impact_ and symbolism of black female support of HC. Period. YOU injected the gender/race dichotomy here. Why exactly did you do that? What was your objective of introducing that into the discussion when no one previously had done that? I have only written about 68 times that my personal opinion about Barack is that African America should support him both because he is better on the issues than Hillary AND because he is black. I guess you not reading anything written in the last couple of days has prevented you from getting that point. No one in this entire forum has ever suggested that we vote for Barack simply because he is black. Despite this - you essentially argued that black women should vote for Hillary simply beceause she is female. The irony and hypocrisy are just too funny! 
Sure - record an audio file and either post/pm/or email it to me. I'll be waiting. |
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Where are the condescending long ass threads asking the brothas to explain why prominent black men are supporting Missy Ann? Where are the statements suggesting brothas are easily influenced by hoopin and hollerin since nearly HALF of them polled do not support OBAMA? When we speak we are afraid our words will not be heard or welcomed. But when we are silent, we are still afraid. So it is better to speak Audre Lord |
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Do you ever read? Why not just cut and paste wherever I said this. That should be easy enough for you. K? I'll be waiting! |
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First of all, I have not offered an argument. I have asked questions. I have suggested a point of view about the _impact_ and symbolism of black female support of HC. Period. Where is your statement about the impact and symbolism of prominent black male public endorsement of goldwater devotee, Missy Ann, aka Hillary Clinton??? Where is your command for Nmag, Faheem, JWC, and Kweli nem to "explain!"? YOU injected the gender/race dichotomy here. Why exactly did you do that? What was your objective of introducing that into the discussion when no one previously had done that? Why perpetuate this lie? YOU stated "sistas, explain!" before I ever even entered the post and when Kresge gave you some anecdotal, yet personal insight you dismissed it out of hand, and continued to make statements about "68% of sistas, blah blah blah". Don't lie and say I introduced that. I merely countered it in YOUR thread which asks mostly-anti hillary sistas to explain a phenomenon you've generalized to most sistas based on a random weekend poll of 302 black people a full year ahead of the general election. THIS IS YOUR BABY. THE DNA says 99.9% MBM When we speak we are afraid our words will not be heard or welcomed. But when we are silent, we are still afraid. So it is better to speak Audre Lord |
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Have you read even one article I have pasted which highlights influential/prominent blackmen signifying for hillary? Do you read? When we speak we are afraid our words will not be heard or welcomed. But when we are silent, we are still afraid. So it is better to speak Audre Lord |
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_______________________________________________________ quote: Originally posted by negrospiritual: Moreover what did Kerry do for you and you voted for him, not sharpton? MBM said: So which is it - are we supposed to vote for candidates because they are black or not?  Sharpton is a clown. I have always characterized him as such.Because he is black I'm mandated to support him? negrospiritual said: well well well... You can't even keep your own argument straight. You are trying to make some sort of racial statement about the sistas allegedly not supporting a black man (based on last weeks polls no less), but the idea of YOU YOURSELF supporting blackness seems laughable Can you get back to the sistas with some relevant ish when you get it all together? _______________________________________________________ quote: Originally posted by MBM: * Clinton support from African-American women at 68 percent Sistas - please explain this!!  _______________________________________________________ quote: Originally posted by kresge: I know that she does not like the fact that Obama has not finished his term as Senator before deciding to make this run. MBM said: Respectfully - this is a rationalization. Obama never promised his own constituents that he would not run for president in this term. Why should anyone else care? There is no general rule/standard/practice that a candidate not run for higher office during the term of a lesser one. Who cares? Moreover - in Hillary's campaign for the Senate, she clearly claimed not to be planning to run for president, but yet she is, of course, running. She comes closer to breaking a pledge than probably anyone else running. Kresge quote: She also really feels that it is time for a woman president, and that with Obama it will basically be business as usual. MBM said: I find it most interesting that many black women are - in essence - prioritizing their gender over their race. They are saying that their gender is a greater defining aspect of their identity (and thus siding with it) as opposed to their race. This despite the fact that the women's movement has been at best ambivalent about black women. What have white women, generally, done for black women? Ever? **Addendum: moreover - with Barack in the race, by supporting Hillary, black women seem to be saying that their kinship with white women is stronger than their connection to black people/men. They seem to be forgetting about a little thing called white supremacy - of which white women - including Hillary Clinton - are major benefactors of. _______________________________________________________ quote: Originally posted by kresge: I think that this is a stretch, and is an instance where Black men need to tread carefully. While white women benefit from white supremacy, black men have also benefited from patriarchy. MBM couldn't leave it alone and came back with: But - since you acknowledge that patriarchy transcends race/culture - my statement stands. Black women are placing greater allegiance to their gender - and some mythical alliance with white women - than with their race. I find this remarkable. Again, what have white women done for sistas? What has this particular white woman done for black women? _______________________________________________________ And thus, MBM, set the parameters for this discussion on the intersectionality of race, class, and gender in american politics. When we speak we are afraid our words will not be heard or welcomed. But when we are silent, we are still afraid. So it is better to speak Audre Lord |
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I read and responded to them WEEKS/MONTHS ago!  |
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Why not start answering some of those questions as opposed to running away scared from them? BTW - I'M WAITING FOR THE POST WHERE I SAID THAT I SUPPORT BARACK SIMPLY BECAUSE HE'S BLACK. |
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running scared? from a weak ass argument? BWA HA HA HA!
MBM stated: BTW - I'M WAITING FOR THE POST WHERE I SAID THAT I SUPPORT BARACK SIMPLY BECAUSE HE'S BLACK. Damn, I gotta do everything for you? You want me to mash up your peas and cut up your meat?  "**Addendum: moreover - with Barack in the race, by supporting Hillary, black women seem to be saying that their kinship with white women is stronger than their connection to black people/men. They seem to be forgetting about a little thing called white supremacy - of which white women - including Hillary Clinton - are major benefactors of." If you are not saying here, that black women ought to support Obama because he is black, ie their "kinship" with him, then pray tell, why bother singling out BLACK WOMEN period? Why not just make a post that says you think Obama is the greatest t hing since sliced bread and leave it at that? Try some CPR, that might revive your argument When we speak we are afraid our words will not be heard or welcomed. But when we are silent, we are still afraid. So it is better to speak Audre Lord |
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I've posted the link to where at least three times in this very thread. Perhaps you don't know how to use one, so here it is: 
You'll see I ask the very same questions of black men that I did of black women. Interesting that I didn't see an outcry from you about this. No comments about "divisiveness" here. 
Oh OK - I get it. There is a huge difference in black male versus black female support of HC but if a man asks women about this he is "patriarchal"? Is that you're contention? If so - that's absolutely laughable.
I guess if I were in your position and seemingly unable to clean your argument up, I'd run away from it as fast as I could too. Here is your post!!
So then what did you lose a gasket over?  |
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We know Bob Johnson's record of peddling filth into our community to enrich white folks (BET's junk bond investors) before literally selling out to Viacom. I guess their support of Hillary could be seen as par for the course for them in their roles as 'front men' in America! It's really too bad. 