At times I wonder what the hickicty hay is wrong with us. I just read an email, someone is offering yet another class, while that is good, there is always a price tag. This is something (the class that is) that concerns us as a people. Don't get me wrong, I know time is invested etc, money and things. But isn't it obvious that many of us do not have money. So if you don't have money you cannot obtain the knowledge. I am sure right away some people may be thinking I am speaking of Ifa and all that goes with it, no I am not. I am speaking of things that would help us as a people. However all of us not not that way, remember the saying each one teach one, it's be changed to each one charge one (money) you want to now what i know, how to decolonize your mnd etc, pay me. geeze, it just gets old. People claim to be black nationaist etc, power to the people etc, but you gots to pay me. yeah okay. again my thing is communalism, each one help one, I got it you don't here let me give it to you, I have a knowledge how to pull you up, here free, I will be recompensed, If you must charge or you must have money for matls etc, what about (if it is your heart to share) find a way to get monies apart from getting it from those who don't have,. Anyway just me. Maybe we forgot how we do things, make copies etc, If it is my destiny my callng to share my knowledge, then it is also for me to try and find a way to give it to you freely, I am aware some things are not free (copywrite issues etc) but what we do not have to charge for, lets stop charging. Just my thoughts
Ifaleye

If it is my destiny my callng to share my knowledge, then it is also for me to try and find a way to give it to you freely, I am aware some things are not free (copywrite issues etc) but what we do not have to charge for, lets stop charging. Just my thoughts---Ifaleye

I get your point.

I often think the same thing.

It seems eveyone is about some kind of hustle.

When I first became enthused with the work of Dr. Joy DeGruy-Leary (PTSS), I searched around the Internet.

What I found was the usual speaking engagements for her.

That's expected.

What I was not prepared for was others, most frequently other PhD's, offering 'cultural healing courses and classes'.

They had the audacity to offer classes and courses (for tough cases of courses) to recover from the effects of Post-traumatic Slavery Syndrome.

I could not believe it!!!!

I was reminded that I had a fear of being charged with the 'hustle' accusation when I decided to create the Insitute for African American National Heritage (IAANH).

So made an institute without membership, and therefore no membership fees.

I never make a 'charge' against anyone who solicites money in exchange for knowledge, however.

I don't because I don't know what that person has to do to offer that service, ...and

Everyone is entitled to charge for services rendered.

It is the buyer who is advised to 'beware'.

But...I know what you mean.

PEACE

Jim Chester

For some people it don't mean a thing....if it don't have that "ching ching....let that cash register ring." Unfortunately....those who have do value knowledge to share [free] are sometimes minimized [the information that is] cuz it doesn't have a price tag on it. All I can say is....there are VERY few things FREE in America. That's just the way it is.

Put it in perspective. My education will end up costing me about $150,000.00

My personal time put into studying and researching and developing things for the community runs on average about 15 to 20 hours per month.

I have a wife, a house, 5 kids, a dog, and a lizard.

Many folks will spend $120 on a pair of shoes, $70 a month per cable...yet when I want to teach a class that will benefit you and us you want it free?

Something doesn't fit...

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Originally posted by urbansun:
Put it in perspective. My education will end up costing me about $150,000.00

My personal time put into studying and researching and developing things for the community runs on average about 15 to 20 hours per month.

I have a wife, a house, 5 kids, a dog, and a lizard.

Many folks will spend $120 on a pair of shoes, $70 a month per cable...yet when I want to teach a class that will benefit you and us you want it free?

Something doesn't fit...

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Originally posted by urbansun:
Put it in perspective. My education will end up costing me about $150,000.00

My personal time put into studying and researching and developing things for the community runs on average about 15 to 20 hours per month.

I have a wife, a house, 5 kids, a dog, and a lizard.

Many folks will spend $120 on a pair of shoes, $70 a month per cable...yet when I want to teach a class that will benefit you and us you want it free?

Something doesn't fit...

Doesn't "each one teach one" require that you give of yourself without expectation for recompense SOMETIMES?

I'm not talkin bout the many, that by shoes etc as you say. I'm talkin bout the community as a whole, Communalism is what I am speaking of, Sharing the knowledge, and really just a thought, (some of you are christian) in the hebrew book called the old testament is a place when the Israelites were in the wilderness, when they gathered the manna, what were their instructions (my paraphrase) they were to gather what they needed, and what happened in the end of that gathering, was it pooled together (I believe it was) why because those who gathered a lot had enough for those who gathered little. I am glad that you were able to afford the education you spoke of, many are not that fortunate. Matter of fact those who are stuggling to live are the ones perchance who would benifit maybe most. but with a pricetag, oh well suppose they will just keep struggling, what I am saying is those that have (as a community of black folk) are to help those who have not until we all have, There is a such thing as fund raisers, donations to make these things (classes etc) accesable to others. my original post had to do with those who do not think, in those terms, but however think in the terms of the me and not the we

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Originally posted by Ifaleye:
I am glad that you were able to afford the education you spoke of, many are not that fortunate.

It seems like he might be saying that he couldn't afford his education.

That could be $150,000 in loans ... that need to be paid back ..

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I'M AN ELITIST TOO.

Again just a thought so to speak, this is why we build (for lack of a better word organizations) That the funds can be raised etc, to have these programs classes etc. Not saying that a person should not get paid for their time, sure no problem with that, if that is your livelyhood, if you are a farmer you eat from your produce etc. If this is what you do full time, then you should be supported, but should be supported by things put in place. ie. I am speaking with someone now, who wants to support and be a part of something I hope to build, they have the money, the brains, and also the friends with the money and the brains, whatever we do, they will support, not those to whom the services are rendered do you understand what I mean now?

I do stuff for people (without going into detail) spiritual work, it would be nice to get some ends for it, but I am a priest first. They have a need, and if they do not have any money, am I going to turn them away, no I don't. Again perhaps maybe it's a matter of calling or destiny. Back in days of old if you will. When black folk (for the most part) started a church etc, was because it was in their heart, they wanted to reach people, they had a concern or care. they for the most part didn't get paid, perchance they worked a job, or perchance they got an offring once or twice a month. but they did what they thought or felt was in their heart to do. Of course many are not like that today. (this is just a sidenote) back in the day when someone started a church etc, it was for life, they did till they could not anymore or until they died. not so today today is a retirement etc. what the hey is that, anyway again was just a sidenote, and my personal thoughts

Could be as well so many of us want to this the "American Dream" that we cannot give,

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Originally posted by urbansun:
Put it in perspective. My education will end up costing me about $150,000.00

My personal time put into studying and researching and developing things for the community runs on average about 15 to 20 hours per month.

I have a wife, a house, 5 kids, a dog, and a lizard.

Many folks will spend $120 on a pair of shoes, $70 a month per cable...yet when I want to teach a class that will benefit you and us you want it free?

Something doesn't fit...

Doesn't "each one teach one" require that you give of yourself without expectation for recompense SOMETIMES?

I don't put myself out there usually but I have in here before. When I say I can virtually guarantee that I have put in more 'free' time in terms of grassroots activism and community development than probably anyone on this board (those who know me know) that is the truth.

We all do 'free' stuff, but not all stuff should be 'free'. That is my point.

When I was on welfare because I took a stand against a corrupt board and lost a upper level executive director job in the hood how many of those cats who I 'put on' and did free stuff for came to my aid?

I helped put over fifty black folks in business directly, helped over 250 more with consulting and training for free or near free.

I organized over 35 neighborhood associations in the black part of our city done free business plan writing, free credit improvement, grant writing workshops, youth clinics and camps, coaching, mentoring, work in the churches and outside and on and on since I was seventeen years old.

Yet when I was put out there and black balled for staying grassroots and not compromising which of those stood up for me?

It is about priorities Negrospiritual. So many of us have them misplaced...in all my time living as I do now and working in the hood of the 3rd most impoverished black community in the nation 1st for kids I have never walked into a house that didn't have cable.

So at some point those of us who are sacrificing have to begin to ask the question --->If you can cop $50 per month to watch ESPN why can't you pay $25 per month for X,Y,Z?

That is all I am saying. Those of us who sacrifice for real will always sacrifice to a degree because we do it for a higher purpose...but shouldn't those same people who are doing all the sacrificing be the ones the community attempts to look after the most? Isn't it a two way street?

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Originally posted by urbansun:

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Originally posted by negrospiritual:

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Originally posted by urbansun:
Put it in perspective. My education will end up costing me about $150,000.00

My personal time put into studying and researching and developing things for the community runs on average about 15 to 20 hours per month.

I have a wife, a house, 5 kids, a dog, and a lizard.

Many folks will spend $120 on a pair of shoes, $70 a month per cable...yet when I want to teach a class that will benefit you and us you want it free?

Something doesn't fit...

Doesn't "each one teach one" require that you give of yourself without expectation for recompense SOMETIMES?

I don't put myself out there usually but I have in here before. When I say I can virtually guarantee that I have put in more 'free' time in terms of grassroots activism and community development than probably anyone on this board (those who know me know) that is the truth.

We all do 'free' stuff, but not all stuff should be 'free'. That is my point. I don't put myself out there usually but I have in here before. When I say I can virtually guarantee that I have put in more 'free' time in terms of grassroots activism and community development than probably anyone on this board (those who know me know) that is the truth.

My statement was really kind of rhetorical and not meant to prompt you to list all your community activities. I don't do that to people online because there is no way to tell what people are doing or not doing, so it's unfair and unnecessary to say "oh yeah? but what are YOU doing?". I find that silly.

You cannot guarantee that you done more of anything that others on this board, although what you've claimed to have done is impressive/admirable.

Still, I agree with your point that not all stuff should be free.

Education, especially in America, should be FREE. We pay enough in TAXES to pay teachers what they deserve-but we don't, because that is not the priority....funds are spent elsewhere cuz politicians [sp] feel they know better as to where to allocate it. WRONG! The term educated fools come to mind. And the word "free" has gotten a bad name. Sometimes when a person goes to college and graduate and is face with the overwhelming loans....they forget WHY they went to college in the first place....to HELP others....to PROVIDE a service... Now it's "I have $100,000 in loans and it will take me at least 10 years to pay it all back!" Well...you knew that when you selected your major! So why complain now? Why should the ones you provide service for HAVE TO SUFFER {in terms of UNREASONABLE fees]....just cuz now you have to repay your loans? How arrogant! I'm not saying work for free...I'm saying have reasonable fees...so consumers will come back! Back in the day, we had neighborhood doctors, dentists...etc who went on to provide service for the entire family generationally. Now it's every man for himself...and is WHY most careers/jobs are going overseas. Why is this occurring so rapidly? Cuz it's CHEAPER...damn near FREE. Ooops...there goes that word again.

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God will take care of you.

Again, I think perchance my main point, is find a support backing, where funds are raised, donated. etc, you will still be paid, but not on the backs of those who cannot afford, make the programs, classes etc, accessible, how by finding sponsors. those with the means feel me.