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Based on that mexican thread, it appears that color is a sore spot among black people. What the hell is that about? Are light-skinned people favored or dismissed based on the color of their skin? Are dark skinned people more apt to be discriminated against by other black people than light skinned people are?
Are children with a single black parent somehow better or worse than children with two black parents? What is halle berry baby? Is one drop too many? Good hair? Nappy-headed? Light skinneded? Hazel eyes? Baby hair? Blue-black? High-yella? What do all this mean? Knocking jockeys off the lawn for over 50 years |
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One of the truly rarest of gems.. a light skinned sister who gets it... she doesn't degrade herself or her skin coloring (she appreciates her own beauty) but she doesn't deny the truth of others' reality either ....
http://africanamerica.org/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/67970854/m...301066734#8301066734
Peace, Khalliqa "The Goddess emerges as the evanescence of the inferior dissipates.... " |
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consequently do you think that lighter people are angrier for some reason? There is a very long list of black american reactionaries who are of a single black parent or light skinned with two black parents?
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Phoenix Rising |
Angrier about what? racism? No... Angrier than who? Dark Skinned blacks? No... What does this have to do with the history of colorism?
What does this have to do with colorism? Peace, Khalliqa "The Goddess emerges as the evanescence of the inferior dissipates.... " |
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Well it is just a curious thing that in our history of oppression, that many of the more outspoken (and I say 'many', not 'all') reactionataries were lighter complected, when compared to the number of dark skinned people that their are.
Maybe they are just seen more or something, I don't know. It could be that it only appears that way and then only to me. Frederick Douglas is said to have had a white parent. Malcolm was light complected (so much so that he had natrually red hair) Marcus Garvey was dark skinned, but all of the Islamacists (Fard, Elijah, Farakahn) were very light complected. Huey, Angela, Haki (Don Lee), Sonja Sanchez, I could go on. It could be that it has nothing to do with anything at all, merely coincidental. I know that there are many dark complected leaders but I just noticed that there are a great many light-skinned ones. Another thing I noticed is that most of the people on public transportation in the evening are brown-skinned. IN a way, that does not mean anything, but it does mean something. There are a lot of people who use public transportation all day long. But the bulk of which are during the rush hours. But after rush hour the riders are mostly dark skinned= ( like me). I wonder what the ratio is of light-skinned to dark-skinned people. Are the differences in their lives significant? Knocking jockeys off the lawn for over 50 years |
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Phoenix Rising |
Light complected people being leaders and in the forefront of movements? What does this have to do with colorism? Do you have a point to make? Peace, Khalliqa "The Goddess emerges as the evanescence of the inferior dissipates.... " |
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Do you have to copy the whole post to ask that?
Anyway, the point is I just wonder if there is something else to it. If lighter people are angrier or have some issue with non-black people that dark skinned people do not. I also wonder how colorism (is there a better way to put that) plays out in the job market or if it has any impact on the job market at all? I wonder if there is any relation between attractiveness and shade. I wonder why people who look black on television look are really light-skinned in real life. What do you think is a issue of shade? Knocking jockeys off the lawn for over 50 years |
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Phoenix Rising |
get over it...
Angrier about what? Racism... My opinion is no... I stated this already...
There has been one study, not the best study and for a while I communicated with the guy who did it... I'll post it later on...
I have the opposite experience.. most highlighted beauty is of women of mixed ancestry and they look it on tv... Peace, Khalliqa "The Goddess emerges as the evanescence of the inferior dissipates.... " |
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If they are not angrier, then the other alternatives would be more charismatic or more intelligent.
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Phoenix Rising |
Not really... there is also.. access to more resources (human and monetary)... higher self esteem which engenders boldenness (less fear)... as well as "charisma" which is tied to the public's perception and the public has a prejudice towards light skin.... you don't have to be intelligent to be a leader... you do not have to be intelligent in this country to be recognized as intelligent.. for instance there is controversy over the role Rosa Parks played.... meaning that the stance she took got further recognition in our community because she was tied to the NAACP and light skinned... as opposed to a similar incident that took place before this involving a dark skinned sister..... Peace, Khalliqa "The Goddess emerges as the evanescence of the inferior dissipates.... " |
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What do you mean by highlighted? Knocking jockeys off the lawn for over 50 years |
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But Rosa Parks was less a leader and more of an instrument. I know that 2 earlier attempts failed to garner the same kind of attention, but I do not know if they failed solely because of the color of the woman.
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 I was going to say that colourism(internallly in the communitee and externally in greater society) would cause such an 'outcome' no?
lol... ain't that the truth.
And actually, it was a strategic decission by the NAACP to pick somone of her appearance(as told to me by civil rights activist elders of the time). In other words, they picked her on purpose because they new that white folks would be able to identify with the injustice being done to her(because her appearance more mirrors their own), and because of the internal ad external colourism, it would be of more prominance in society(and history) than the other occurances of the same act. Of course, the fact that a people's entire movement was also being widely organized helped the "rosa Parks' incident into prominance also. Egungun, Egungun ni t'aiye ati jo! Ancestos, Ancestors come to earth and dance! "I'm sick of the war and the civilization that created it. Let's look to our dreams, and the magical; to the creations of the so-called primitive peoples for new inspirations." - Jaques Vache and Andre Breton "Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone." -John Maynard "You know that in our country there were even matriarchal societies where women were the most important element. On the Bijagos islands they had queens. They were not queens because they were the daughters of kings. They had queens succeeding queens. The religious leaders were women too..." -- Amilcar Cabral, Return to the Source, 1973    |
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How? To the contrary, I would think that since darker skinned people suffer the most discrimination internally and externally, then they would be the most reactionary. Knocking jockeys off the lawn for over 50 years |
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~I'm glad you put it like that: "Ours". My $0.02...we can blame colourism or the system all we want to, but in the end, we have to look in the mirror and point that finger. The system is what the system is. We do not HAVE to participate or feed it. We DO participate and feed it when and if it suits us. Therefore, it "lives" and "thrives" amongst us. I don't care who or what "they" show on the t.v. or the magazines ---- we aren't mindless, spineless dummies. We certainly have a strong enough opinion about everything ELSE that matters to us --- so why not THIS? Our opinion about black skin color is this: the lighter you are the better. the darker you are, the worse you are. Where did we get that opinion from? It was taught. HOWEVER, we were taught a LOT of bullshit about ourselves that we have since refuted, debunked, shot down, etc. Why not this skin-shade thing? Answer: Because it suits us. It suits SOME of us. As long as it suits SOMEBODY, it will live and thrive among us. It hasn't died out, inspite of the "Take No Shit" that runs through our veins, because IT SUITS SOMEBODY. It's a bullshit INTERNAL system that we haven't "called bullshit" on, yet. And we won't. Not as long as it SUITS SOMEBODY TO KEEP IT GOING. And THAT has nothing to do with "them out there", unless we are going to also say that all the other bullshit that "they've" ever taught us is valid. LIFE is a have vs. have-not system. I "have" an advantage. You do "not have" an advantage. WHATEVER that advantage and disadvantage may be. There are too many to count. But, we soon learn that it "suits us" to figure out our individual advantages and disadvantages (make a personal assessment) and proceed from there. One of our personal "checkpoints" is to check out our skin-shade, determine if it is a plus or a minus, and proceed to either "inflict" or "cower" --- whichever the case may be. And we could STOP at any time. But, we don't. The "Inflicters" don't want to get rid of this internal system, because they are on the winning side of it. Why get rid of a system that works for them? It's all good. So, it stays. Where is the "advantage" in everybody's status being the same? Everybody is desirable? What? As in, no competition? I'm not better than? No, no. Can't have that. Let's leave it the way it is. Light is good. The lighter the better. If we get on the same page and rebuke the nonsense, that would be great. But, that's not going to happen. And it's NOT the fault of white supremacy. It's ridiculous to even "go there" with the argument considering that we claim to be intelligent and strong. But not intelligent and strong enough to SELF-DECIDE that no shade of brown/black is better than another amongst us? We should be ashamed of ourselves that we keep this system going in our community. We're not sheep. We're not LED by others to commit this act upon each other. It's the "some of us" that CHOOSE to, because they have something to gain in it, that keep us in it.~ Black Butterfly, sailed across the waters tell your sons and daughters what the struggle brings Black Butterfly, set the skies on fire rise up even higher so the ageless winds of time can catch your wings ----Deniece Williams |
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that was 2¢? I'm scared to see you put a dime on it.
Well I guess admitting it would be a first step. WHo gets to admit it, lights skinned or dark skinned peoples? What are they admitting? Should we have an internal affirmative action kind of thing? Is there a way out of it? Knocking jockeys off the lawn for over 50 years |
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Light skinned people are going to have an 'easier time' at becoming a leader(in the forfront), both by the larger society and within the Black communitee. They are favoured for the leadership position specifically because they are light. That is how the privilege works. Yes, it would make more sense(if the privilege didn't exist) that darker folk, who experiece the brunt of this shitsem would be the face of militant movements... but you can't discount the internalizing of colourism in our communitte and how it manifests. Egungun, Egungun ni t'aiye ati jo! Ancestos, Ancestors come to earth and dance! "I'm sick of the war and the civilization that created it. Let's look to our dreams, and the magical; to the creations of the so-called primitive peoples for new inspirations." - Jaques Vache and Andre Breton "Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone." -John Maynard "You know that in our country there were even matriarchal societies where women were the most important element. On the Bijagos islands they had queens. They were not queens because they were the daughters of kings. They had queens succeeding queens. The religious leaders were women too..." -- Amilcar Cabral, Return to the Source, 1973 |
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I've commented on this before... http://africanamerica.org/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/79160213/m...571073644#1571073644
The pigmentocracy has got to go...
Egungun, Egungun ni t'aiye ati jo! Ancestos, Ancestors come to earth and dance! "I'm sick of the war and the civilization that created it. Let's look to our dreams, and the magical; to the creations of the so-called primitive peoples for new inspirations." - Jaques Vache and Andre Breton "Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone." -John Maynard "You know that in our country there were even matriarchal societies where women were the most important element. On the Bijagos islands they had queens. They were not queens because they were the daughters of kings. They had queens succeeding queens. The religious leaders were women too..." -- Amilcar Cabral, Return to the Source, 1973 |
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Ahhh, I don't think it simple as that. That might could work if they are in the system, but they 'say' they opposed the system. It really rings horribly true in the NOI and even with the Black Panthers, but that is more understandable because they did not begin so much as a political entity. I don't think anyone is going to want to loose any power they have so I do not see light skinne people making sacrifices of power or position for the benefit of darker skinned people, many of which they hold in contempt. As a matter of fact, I do not see dark skinned people doing that for other dark skinned people either. No one is going to do that. Asking people to forgo their advantage for others? Ooohhh, don't see that happening ever. Knocking jockeys off the lawn for over 50 years |
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