Fab: The following commentary was written by a beloved brother of mine--in response to several 'white' posters who suggested black folk simply "GET OVER IT." This brother & I met on aol's black voices. . .

He's a fine example of the caliber of black folk who USED to frequent those boards.

Anyway, without revealing his screen name, I'll simply call him TD.

Tell it brother TD. Your post is certainly worthy of a repeat.

Check him out:

The choir singing "Get Over It" to the point of nausea. I suppose the first time I heard that inharmonious tune, I was in the seventh grade. One of my favorite teachers was talking to us about the truths of our past (the past of the US outside of the history book we were assigned to read) and she got on the subject of Native Americans. She was one of the most engaging, thoughtful, caring people I had ever encountered and I was always rapt whenever she spoke on any topic. I always worked extra hard in her class because I enjoyed her open mind so much. She made learning fun. But when she said that the Native Americans, trapped on reservations, just need to "get over it" and "move on" I was stunned beyond belief.

Granted, what I hold to be truth now, as compared to what I did at twelve, is vastly different, but the notion that we can look into the hearts, motives and minds of people we are not a part and blithely pass judgment of any kind still strikes a sour note within me. To just "get over it" would be to accept, without question, the superiority of the society that subjugated others in the name of righteousness and the devaluation of one's current self, history and anything that the ruling society has deemed worthless. Death is much better.

True enough, we must learn to cope in our surroundings and overcome obstacles as they are presented, but I honestly believe that when a people has been completely annihilated on an emotional, cultural and spiritual level by a predatory group of marauding conquerors, there is a dehumanizing, shameful, feudatory sub-society created in direct proportion to the amount of force, and purpose of that force, to subdue the conquered.

Hatred, not unlike love, is an energy. Energy can neither be created nor destroyed. It exists and can only be converted from one form of energy into another. The amount and purpose of the force of hatred poured into the subjects of this land was immense. It has never, ever been converted into something else useful, save, by the conquered themselves. MLK comes to mind.

Sometimes that energy of hatred comes back as it was given, and those subjects who wield it, in all of its inglorious infamy, are derided as animals run amuck, acting outside of the bounds of the human experience. It is what it was. Why should anyone ever be shocked to see a field of weeds where wild seeds were sown some time ago? Nothing happens in a vacuum, disconnected from the process of life. Everything has a genesis and that beginning cannot be ignored in an attempt to circumvent the process of converting hatred into love and understanding. There are no shortcuts. You plant wild seeds, watch the weeds grow.

We too often hold those, who were at the bitter end of ravenous profiteers, in contempt and wonder why, after all these years after the Trail of Tears, Wounded Knee, The Middle Passage, Slavery, the broken promises of the first reconstruction, Plessy vs. Ferguson, Jim Crow, the descendents of the victims of these horrific acts of inhumanity have not just "gotten over it." They have not "gotten over it," in my opinion, because that hurt, pain, anguish and above all else, that energy of hatred is still omnipresent in our land we call home and far too many act on this unseen force of energy knowingly and unknowingly.

This nation was forged in hatred and violence with the caveat of the ability to better the society as the society dictates. "We" (that includes you) are not going to "get over it" until we avail ourselves of the option to create something better for all and there is a concerted effort to transform ourselves into beings capable enough and willing enough to change what it is that rests just beneath the surface, that we find too difficult to talk about in mixed company, into something useful. Don't look to eliminate anything. Look to transform it; transform our state of being.

I don't hold out much hope for that transformation of being to happen while I'm living. Folks have grown too accustomed to just want to appease and mollify and not dig deeper to take a look into their own souls to realize that what afflicts one person afflicts us all. None of us come through this unscathed. Until folks, including yourself, understand that the stultifying, toxic fumes of hatred have been breathed in by all of us, no one is going to just "get over" anything. We didn't start the fire, to borrow a line from a song a while back, but it's certainly burning. What are you going to do, absent the desire of others to change their ways, to extinguish this fire? I don't have an answer for you. I would be a fool to suggest one.

I have a tendency to judge myself and my actions harsher than I do others, however, I can't imagine any one person on the face of the earth has an answer for folks they will never truly be able to empathize with. That is our burden that very few, outside of us, has ever had the courage to admit was on their shoulders as well.



Fab: MLMB. . .soooooo ML~

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Fab: The following is more 'posting'--same thread, regarding the same topic.

This is a poster who initially stated, black folk should "get over it."

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fabulous: Well, the subject matter (Race Relations) is always a touchy one too, don't forget.

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Lord yes . . . very touchy.

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fabulous: Personally, I am more offended by a white person trying to tell me about the black experience or what I (a black person) should "do" as it relates to being black, OR what's going on in the black community. . .than I am with any disagreement.

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And I agree. Speaking for myself only . . . it was never my intention to tell you or others "what to do", how to feel", etc. I've always said I could sympathize, but never truly emphathize - because I simply haven't had the same experiences. But I have to say, there are times, that I don't think others realize that we all have experiences in our lives that shape our way of thinking. And when no one has walked in our shoes, it's difficult for us to step back and attempt to see things through someone else's eyes. I guess I always thought the RR board was a great place to share our experiences, while at the same time, getting a glimpse of other's lives that we may not otherwise, have had the opportunity.

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fabulous: There are black folks & white folks I have disagreed with "over time" in my life, but they have never been condescending or self righteous and they've never tried to minimize my life experience or insult my intelligence. I think it's all about delivery--how the POINT comes across.

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And again . . . I never intended to come across that way (I'm not saying you're accusing me of it . . . it's just I have heard those words used to describe me). But delivery is very important - and for me, at least, the key is in responding versus reacting. Because when I react, it's not pretty! SMH

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fabulous: And I also believe SOMETIMES (in race relations) some folks don't realize they are being offensive.

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Again . . . I agree. But I'll go one step further and say, other than a few who seem to enjoy being offensive, I don't think they mean to be offensive. It's just their way of relating to people.

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fabulous: Anyway, have a good morning, it's time for me to hit the track for my morning walk. See ya later.

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Mannnnnnnnnn . . .I really need to hit the track! Everyone in our office has gone on a diet and lost weight. Me? Heck no - it's ******** for pete's sake! Have a good one and talk at cha' later.

Fab: This is more from that same "Get Over It," thread. This is my conversation with another white poster.

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Cake boy: Fab is nasty as hell...

fabulous: You're the rotten, weak-minded bake good, so stop projecting. Dear Readers, notice how mister self righteous brings "me" into this dispute ... when he claims to have me filtered. The cake boy unnecessarily insults me, so what exactly does that say about "him"? LOL "it" misses me and desires my attention, that's what it says.

Cake boy:Cake boy: Awwwwwwwwwwwww, ain't that sweet--NOT! but that doesn't give anyone the right to mock her about the death of her nephew. Likewise with the death of Belle's baby.

fabulous: The difference IS, cake boy, I would never put ANYTHING on this board that could possibly hurt me. Get it?!? So, you and your crew can mock the death of my nephew all you want--but it will mean NOTHING to me. Were you thinking mocking the death of my nephew would hurt my feelings or something? LOL!! Too damn funny. Only a fool would post information on this VERY public message board with the potential to cause them harm. But, I'm sure this is something a weak-minded person, such as yourself (who attempted to end his life over a girlfriend), couldn't possibly understand.

Cake: They don't do it because they feel I am a bigot, but because I ridicule a few people on this board for being uncivil idiots. Fab, Chocolate, JC and the like. They do it because they think it is effective. And because they couldn't craft an original insult if I gave them two years and a few pointers. Muah hahahaha.

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fabulous: First & foremost--YOU do not speak for me, cake crumb. The only person who can say "why" I do or say "anything" is ME.

And personally, I DO think you're a bigot--A closet bigot. As for the rest of your nonsense--blah, blah, blah.

You don't know how I feel about the "weather," much less what I "think." A person who would attempt suicide over a broken romance is not even in my league, dig it! Therapy would be a much better option for you, much better than posting nonsense & insulting black people on a message board.

And THAT cake crumb, is a reflection on you.

More from Black voices. . .this brother raises a valid & interesting point. check him out:

W***5: I started this thread but I see my original post is gone! The timbre of the thread hardly reflects the context I originally intended. That is all well and good. I welcome opposition. Its good thing. I do find it necessay , though, to keep my viewpoint alive. I fear it is being drowned in a sea of posters that really didn't get the spirit of what I was trying to convey.

Off the top, I'm still convinced that the origins of the terrorist KKK faction is important because it opens the door to possible reparations to the descendents of KKK victims from the beginning. That aside, lets explore the wisdom of knowing all you can about your enemy. You need to know who they are and what they are up to if you value your freedom and your life. You wouldn't want to contribute to anti-Black organizations masked as benevolent foundations or societies would you?

We must learn to connect the political dots, sit back and analyze the final result and explore the options with fellow African Americans that YOU TRUST! The Bloods and the Cripps? Thats a whole 'nother ballgame. That is/was an internal problem that I think minister Farrakhan dealt with admirably.

There are still Black on Black shootings that can be attributed to gangs but the numbers don't even approach the statistics generated prior to the Million Man March! Perhaps the NOI projected something other Black organizations didn't anticipate: Cripps and Bloods saw Farrakhan as a national leader not as a gangster! But, as a Black icon towards which they could gravitate for wisdom and guidance.

Can we deny that Farrakhan called upon all he knew about the Bloods and the Cripps to arrive at a viable solution? Now we come to AlQueda! Admittedly, there may not be compelling reasons to know their origins for the average American..Personally, though, I would venture to learn all I could about them because knowing as much as you can about your enemy gives you an edge. you can exchange information with others and possibly come up with enough to notify authorities in the event you suspect AlQueda operations in your area! I appreciate your posts, whether you agree with me or not. Keep the faith. love...W****5

fabulous: Your original post is still there, W***5, at least from what I can see. As far as I'm concerned you make excellent points throughout your post, this has been a very informative & enlightening thread.

Although I do recall reading something about this--I honestly never considered that government funding (tax dollars) were actually being used to pay homage to klansmen, and building icons of the old southern confederacy.

And naming schools after such people?!?!? OMG! Considering the history, doing such a thing doesn't make sense to me and it's a slap in the face to every black American in this country. . .

. . . As well as every American who fought for it. Also, to unknowingly contribute to anti-Black organizations, is more than I can stomach.

Without knowledge of who what & where, better yet, the ORIGIN of these things, how could we possibly know what the heck we're REALLY dealing with? It's a good idea to keep this information you've shared with us in mind. This was an excellent topic of discussion, W***5, and I appreciate you bringing it to the board. Much love right back at ya, my brother. Sincerely, ~Fab RACE: Man's Most Dangerous Myth Ashley Montagu

More from brother W***5 regarding aol's black voices. . .

W***5: Here we are on a forum that is supposed to be for Black folks getting together and discussing issues affecting us. Instead, this forum has become a hotbed for race baiting Caucasians with nothing on their minds but disruption.

If we went over to the forums dominated by Caucasians, what do you think would happen if we duplicated the actions of their low classed brethren who invade (our?) forum?

Blacks have no control over this forum so it should NOT be called Black Voices. White Racist Voices would be a better name.

I say we let them have it. BV is controlled by Whites anyway. The time has come for action. We know the Tos system won't work because White people have their fingers on that trigger and they are not going to be fair or objective. Why should they? We stay here day after day getting bombarded by every sick, racist moron that feels a need to vent so they think we LIKE IT!

None of these cowans have anything meaningful to say, their comments are designed to inflict the deepest hurt they possibly can. Who needs it?

There are other viable options that may suit us well. We could start a news group or simply e-mail messages to all Blacks who frequent here that we only want to discuss among ourselves.

If any of you subsequently have a hankering to confer with the racists, BV will always be there and they will be waiting with baited breath!

YOUR THOUGHTS PLEASE! ( Blacks and honorary Blacks only)

RACE: Man's Most Dangerous Myth
Ashley Montagu

You know, Fab... I'm tempted to go over Black Voices and start calling them on their dumbshit. Do you have a link?

Originally posted by Black Viking:
You know, Fab... I'm tempted to go over Black Voices and start calling them on their dumbshit. Do you have a link?

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Yep, I'll send it to you via PM. Along with the names of BIG TIME 'haters' on that board to watch out for--just in case you decide to check it out.

More from Black Voices. . .

What may seem inconsequential to you or me, may not to someone else and could be the thing to push them over the edge. <<<<

Fabulous: Well, a person in such a fragile state of mind, should be in some sort of "therapy," not on a computer posting insults to black folk on a black voices message board.

And, if the situation is THAT serious; seems to me, aol holds the bulk of responsibility for not monitoring their boards properly. The lack of appropriate & fair monitoring; indirectly, creates an environment conducive to being "pushed over the edge."

And while we're at it, aol should do something about the hate mongers here as well. Heck, maybe some of the "race hate & racial slurs" posted on this board is enough to push some black folk "over the edge" too.

Not one person here is responsible for another's actions; actions that not even aol is accountable or responsible for. People post at their own risk. If folks don't want anything used against them, they should stop posting sensitive personal matters. This board is intended for entertainment, enlightment, & enjoyment--NOT mental health therapy.

Cake boy can't go around insulting people and expecting THEM to tippy toe around "him" when they respond. That doesn't make any sense.

Seems to me, some white folks around here have higher standards for others than they actually adhere to themselves. As for some of the black folks--I don't give a shit about their opinion on the matter either, I don't live by their standards. I'm a grown ass woman--no thanks to anybody here.

A person (specifically cake boy) who attempted suicide over a broken romance. . .is not fighting a real LIFE battle, as far as I'm concern. I have no respect for wimps. And, like you, and everyone else here, THAT is my goddamn opinion.

Also--if cake boy continues to insult me, I will continue to use my OWN discretion as it relates to my own damn behavior. If folks don't like it, they can simply scroll on by. I won't be shedding any tears, and you can believe THAT!

In conclusion. . .

Ad: As far as going to therapy, I agree. A person who attempts suicide, then gets plastered and states it on a public message board, to me at least, is (subconsciously) crying out for help.

Fabulous: Who said anything about a person getting "plastered?" My comments are based on the facts at hand--not "additional" information. And based on those facts--a person (subconsciously or not) crying out for help--should 'not' do so to strangers on a public message board, imo.

Such a person risks ridicule-obviously. But to come on the board insulting people FIRST, then expecting compassion for his own personal woes, makes no sense to me. And obviously he is no worse for wear because he CONTINUES to come back to this board.

Ad: But the remarks made by others on this board (mocking and offering to give him a gun to finish the job) actually aren't bothering him, as much as these remarks bother me. So this type of behavior is more of "my" problem, than Eriks. And yes, this is some of my baggage from my youth. Children can be quite cruel . . . I didn't allow it with my {step}sons or any children where I have been an influence in their lives.

Fabulous: Well, at least you had some control over your stepsons' behavior, you have no control over the adults here (as you know). I see your point, though, but I disagree in this instance. As far as I'm concerned, cake boy brought this ALL on himself by unnecessarily insulting the people here when he first appeared in the "Cake boy" screen name.

>>>>>Not one person here is responsible for another's actions; actions that not even the server is accountable or responsible for.<<<<<

Ad: I agree. I have tossed and complained, only to be ignored. Yet, shortly thereafter, I was tossed for copying one of their racist remarks and stupid me forgot to block out a certain word. At first, I thought it was one of you guys - knowing fully well how angry I responded to that particular poster. But upon further contemplation, I've decided it wasn't . . . it was the very person I tossed. And I know I'm not the only one who does complain about the constant racial slurs . . . yet, a blind eye is turned. SMH

Fabulous: As I stated to you before, Ad. I don't read your every post. So, to even assume I TOSed you, is really reaching. Heck, I don't read anybody's EVERY post. There is one male poster here who I've come to respect and I really think he's cool, however, I don't read his EVERY post either. If I'm going to read anybody's EVERY post, believe me--it would be his.

>>>>>> He can't go around insulting people; expecting THEM to tippy toe around him when they respond. That doesn't make any sense<<<<<<

Ad: Like I stated earlier . . . it's more my problem than it is his. I just found someone's comment about what a shame it was about the Coaches' son (which I find extremely sad as well), rather hypocritical. And yes, that was JMO.

Fabulous: Hypocritical or not, people are entitled to base their opinions on a case by case basis. And just MAYBE, they don't believe cake boy's suicide attempt. There's no rule here that says members must believe EVERYTHING posted on this board. Come on now. The choice is theirs, and it is their prerogative to 'believe' or not.

Ad: A person does end their life over "just a broken romance". There are always deeper issues . . . it just happens to be the straw that broke the camels' back. But, we can agree to disagree.

Fabulous: You took my words OUT OF CONTEXT. What I said is this: A person (specifically cake boy) who supposedly attempted suicide over a broken romance, is not fighting a real LIFE battle--as far as I'm concern.

NO WHERE did I imply that it DOESN'T happen-- that people DO NOT end their lives over broken romances. I'm well aware of this fact. But, this has nothing to do with my statement in regard to cake boy. He came on this board insulting the black people here--so shame on HIM & anybody else who is of the opinion that black folk should have more compassion for him, than he extended to us. Please.

Again, I think he's lying, so sure...we can agree to disagree.

Oops, my mistake. . .the following is the last post in that thread. . .

Ad: When he initially posted his comment of attempting suicide, it was something along the lines of "Hey everybody, how's it going. I've been gone for awhile, tried to comment suicide, botched it, and now I'm getting drunk." These aren't his exact words, but it was along those lines.

Fabulous: Still, I don't care. When he returned in his new screen name, he spent most of his time insulting the black people here--I don't care what his exact words were. I read enough of his "compassion" for others.

Ad: I guess it's because I have youngins near his age.

fabulous: Nope, I don't believe THAT has anything to do with it. I understand the situation perfectly. And ftr, I am closer (in age) to cake boy than you are.

Ad: I had been a little concerned when he hadn't been on the board for a number of weeks. So when this news came out, I emailed him to find out if he was "joking" (and of course, to do what I seem to do so well - scold him for something that wasn't funny if he was joking). He wasn't.

Fabulous: Well, at least you admit that even YOU didn't take him seriously, initially. Therefore, it should be no surprise that a LOT of 'other' folks didn't believe him either. Some STILL don't. Nevertheless, what you should've been doing, in my opinion, is encouraging him to get his behind off the computer and seek PROFESSIONAL help. Scolding him? Heck, even THAT sounds like you aren't taking it seriously, even now.

Ad: I realize Erik is not one of your favorite people (putting it mildly, huh? LOL) . . .

Fabulous: Actually, how I feel about him has nothing to do with the word "favorite." I don't like him and I have no problem saying so. He is a racist fake, and I don't doubt THAT observation for one-second.

Ad: You may not have even read the initial thread, but only seen some of the comments later.

fabulous: Whether I saw that particular post or not, makes no difference in my observation. I witnessed enough of his insults to black people, until, I'd be hard pressed to feel any sympathy for his lying ass anyway.

Ad: Whoa . . . didn't mean to imply "you" specifically. It was more of a general "you" - as in people I seem to rub the wrong way.

Fabulous: I didn't take it as ME specifically, I took it as ME included. And THAT is how it reads. Case in point: (snip) Ad wrote: At first, I thought it was one of you guys <<<

Ad: Okay . . . so I'm rather one of the naive ones (although in this case, I do know, for a fact, unfortunately, it's true). I guess I do take what people say at face value. If you (collectively speaking) told me you were the CEO of an organization, I'd believe you. Now if you wrote it like this: yse, i is a cpo of a lage ogranizsian - well, no - that would pretty much be a dead give away, huh?

fabulous: Well, I'm a hard sell--period. And I'm a black woman, Ad. For the most part, too many of us (black folk) couldn't survive in this world being THAT naive. I've fought real life battles that didn't include something as mellow as "my baby done left me so now I'm gonna end it all." Heck, a broken romance would be way too easy--so I can't relate. But yeah, we're all different. Thank goodness.

>>>>>Fab: You took my words OUT OF CONTEXT. What I said is this: <<<<

Ad: No . . . I screwed up. LOL I meant to say "a person doesn't end their life over "just a broken romance".

Fabulous: Depends on the person. You can't speak for everybody. For some people, it IS as simple as a broken romance. imo, white folk moreso than black folk. I just can't see a black man ending his life over a broken romance. Hell, a 'brother' would simply get another woman before killing himself over one. Please. I have enough brothers (siblings) to know. . .a black man ain't about to kill himself over a damn woman. But again, it depends on the person.

Ad: I know what you mean. I'm 51 years old, both kids are finally out on their own, so I'm looking forward to honeymooning all over again. But if I were to find out I was pregnant tomorrow (first, I'd sue the doctor who performed the complete hysterectomy 10 years ago LOL J/K), then I'd pick my husband up off the floor and nurse him back to health LOL, and somewhere in between that time, I'd be jumping for joy. I can't imagine a life without children.

fabulous: Me neither. It was once a desire of mine to have as many children as possible. Instead, life had in store for me many twists & turns. I've had to be a warrior in this life, for my family; for myself. Who knows. . .I may have more children 'some' day but no more than 2. . .however, if this doesn't happened, I have no problem appreciating what I have, and LOVING the young ones who are already here.

And then. . .there were the good times (on black voices). . .

>>Pssst...come a little closer (fab motions with finger) ...(whispers in W***5's ear) Some folks around here (who will remain nameless) frown on ^5ing or any display of camaraderie between brothers & sisters ... However... (Fab steps back)<<<<<<

W***5: W***5 instinctively reaches out, grabs Fab gently around the waist and pulls her back to him, closely. For a moment, their eyes meet and their lips are nearly touching. There is something primordial in the air but in a flash they both come to their senses. She blushes, he grins sheepishly and they break the embrace...both of them move back into their own realities realizing that their friendship is more important than impulses. <<<<


Fabulous: And so, Fab heads back to reality, back through the dark Internet corridor. She thinks to herself~man that was close. I almost put one on him (a kiss y'all). She thought of W***5 and his intelligent, articulate & eloquent postings--realizing such an opportunity might not ever present itself again.

So she turns and rushes back to the cyber door marked "Race Relations," hoping W***5 is still there. She sees him just as he is leaving.

"Wait!" she cries, ever mindful, ever discreet.

Taking the last few steps towards him--she draws him close.

He wraps his arms around her. She kisses his cheek, then makes her way to his lips. Once there their lips touch--then part. She gently strokes his back as the kiss deepens. She angles her head to give them both more access--enjoying the feel of him, the taste of him, the smell of him. Yeah, it was fast becoming a long lush & wet cyber kiss.

Ah, but unfortunately, it had to end all too soon. It was time to go. With a sigh, she releases him. He reluctantly releases her.

"Thanks W***5, she says. "I'm not one to follow an impulse, but I figure ... just this once, know what I mean?"

"Yeah, I think I do," he smiles. "Glad you came back."

"Well, back to reality and thanks for the memories." Waving as she exits the room, Fab slides her tongue across her bottom lip then smiles.

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Here's a thread topic called: African American

Another AOL message board--this time NOT on black voices but one of their "white" boards.

Check 'em out:

Message 1 of 224
Subject: African American
Date: 5/13/2006 7:37 PM Pacific Standard Time
From: Danny
MsgId: 141018:


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I am from South Africa and I have recently become an American citizen. So on my application I put down African American. Not thinking too much about it. When I went in for my interview they looked at me strange and asked why I put down that I was African American. I said because I was born and raised in South Africa and came from there. They said no, here that name is only reserved for black people, or mixed race people that are part black. I said I was in fact an African American, and why it was a big deal. They said because they need to hire a minority for that position. I said I was a minority, I am African American and there are very few of us in the US. He said no, I was white, and that I am not a minority. Anyway, I was not hired, and I am stunned. All because I am a white man and not black? Isn't that discrimination?

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From: Drift
MsgId: 141018:64

Danny wrote:

I said I was a minority, I am African American and there are very few of us in the US. He said no, I was white, and that I am not a minority. Anyway, I was not hired, and I am stunned. All because I am a white man and not black? Isn't that discrimination?

Drift: DannyMc is a pretty common name in South Africa...? Kind of surprising. I'm thinking you should have told them you were Irish American.
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From: Oddc
MsgId: 141018:640

African American is a misnomer replacing the word Negro as a catagory of race. That alone is offensive because as you say, not all 'African Americans' are 'Black'. Egypt, for example, is in Africa.

Also, not all Blacks are from Africa. Many Negros are many generations removed from Africa around the world.
As for it being discrimination well, thats what race quota hiring practices do, they discriminate.

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From: SLA
MsgId: 141018:


Danny: All because I am a white man and not black? Isn't that discrimination?

SLA: Welcome to America!

From: Drift
MsgId: 141018:64


thats what race quota hiring practices do, they discriminate.

Well, butter my butt and call me a bisquit. I thought race quota hiring practices effected affirmative action initiatives to ensure that the workplace environment in America accurately reflect a cross section of the population.

From: Laugh
MsgId: 141018:64

>when you walk thru county run offices and such you
>see....black....black...mexican....black....black...asian....
>black and so on....contrary-wise if you stroll thru the offices in the
>'Mid-Wil' district just West of Downtown L.A. you
>see...Asian....Asian....Asian....Asian...Asian....Asian....
>and so on.

I sure am glad to be in NY then. We're a melting pot here & I love it. Either that or I just don't look at color.

From: CJKaps
MsgId: 141018

Either do I Laugh...<>< !!

I hvae to addmit I try not to, but at our local post office they all got out after working and about 20 of them walked across the street in frount of me and all were minoiriotys except one older man that was white.. Not sure what that means but I dont think they hire white poeple anymore at the post office??

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These types of stories are very common online, but how regular is it for an employer to say that they can't hire a person because of race, creed, ethnicity. . .

How often has someone offline told of this type of firsthand experience?

I've been wondering about this for a while.

*smells fish*

Ok, here's where I start putting in my 2 cents. Some of the comments irked me (as you can probably tell...lol).

FTR, I was posting under a different screen name this time, let's see if you can recognize which poster I am (as IF you couldn't..lol)

here we go:

(snip)

I just don't look at color.

From: CJKap
MsgId: 141018

Either do I Laugh...<>< !!


From: Laugh

Exactly. And I do that everyday of my life. There is a figure in my family who I am so deeply ashamed of that I can't even bring myself to utter what it was that he did. I never even met the man...but I know the past history & present goings on of this organization & it makes me so totally sick to know his blood runs through my veins. It is because of this that I stand up & speak up against racism everytime I encounter it. And it goes on alot more than people like to admit. This country hasn't come far when it comes to that issue at all.<>< !!!!


CJKap: I think we have came a long way myself, at least in my city, very mixed and every race gets along great for the most part. People here do not accept intolerance and predudace.. But ya, we still have a ways to go.. I am going to see my friend a black man who owns a shop downtown here. 5 years and no death threat, everyone liokes him and hes never even had a brick through his window.. We have came a long way from the 50's when hard working men like him would have been run out of town or ignoired.. He is a great man <<<----CJKaps

QD: ONE MAN does not a 'black' community make. And it's not about ONE MAN--it's about the black community COLLECTIVELY. . .

. . .being that YOU are not black, you are not in a position to judge how far "we" have come. Who exactly is this "we" you're referring to? Speaking for at least ONE black person, I can say that "we" have not come far enough. . .

. . .You see, OVERT racism has been replaced with COVERT racism.

And the truth is, YOU do not speak for 'any' black person, neither can you determine what the "black" man (who you've referenced in your post) has or has not endured--despite how it appears TO YOU.

CJKap:So Are you calling me a racist because I dare have an opinion about how I see things at least in my city.. Please give it a rest.. Covert rasism?????? what ever<<<----CJKaps

Qd: I don't know WHERE in the h*ll you got THAT idea ^. I never said ANYTHING about ANYBODY being a racist. Why are you so damn sensitive?

Nevermind. I really don't care to know "why" . . .cause you're right---WHATEVA!

{snip} >>>>>>I think we have came a long way myself, at least in my city, very mixed and every race gets along great for the most part. People here <<<<<<< {snip}

Qd: Even in YOUR CITY, you do not speak for the black ppl.there. . .you are on the outside looking in.

. . .as far as I'm concerned MINORITIES would know better "how far things have come" in YOUR area or anybody else's. I doubt if you've EVER dealt with racism the way black folks have.

How then are you qualified to say "things have come far." For YOU perhaps. . .but not for those of us who are directly affected by racism.

Class, Color, and The Hidden Injuries of Race

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CJKap:I am a minortity.

Qd: So YOU say.

CJKap: I will not be PC and say something, because I am honest about how I feel..

Qd:Whateva. YOU brought the topic up, I didn't. YOU mentioned a 'black' man, I didn't. Minority or not, you STILL are not in a position to speak for a black person. The fact is, there is no other race of ppl in this country who has ENDURED the travesties black folk have. I don't care how HONEST you are, you cannot & do not speak for the black man you referenced in your post, period!

In truth, you do not speak for not ONE black person, so who are YOU to say it's better for us 'now'? Please!

CJKap: The murder rate for whatever reason is sky hiogh around here in black comunities. It aint so called white people killing them , it is black on balck crime and it needs to stop<<<<<

Qd: Blah, blah, blah, what does the any of the above have to do with your original comment?

& Whateva!

No need to go off in a tangent the way you have--also, I never claimed there wasn't any dysfunction in the black community--'dysfunction' that is the direct result of our plight here in America. You can't expect a community of ppl., treated so inhumanely for SO damn LONG, to NOT have any problems. buy a clue.

Oftentimes even an abused child will grow up with dysfunction. . .whether they've received professional help or not. Why would you assume this doesn't apply COLLECTIVELY to an abused ppl?

Nevertheless, YOU are the person who stated "things are better". . .

. . .YOU said that--I didn't.

My point was, and STILL is, YOU are not in a position to say (as it relates to RACISM)...that the situation is far better 'now' (for BLACK PPL).

Again, OVERT racism has simply been replaced by COVERT racism. Believe it or not. no sweat off my nose.

It's unfortunate that you've chosen to stray from your initial statement. Here you are going on & on about something else. Pitiful!

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From: Qd
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CJKaps, here's a little sumpin' for your reading delight:


Hate on the World Wide Web: A Brief Guide to Cyberspace Bigotry

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Qd: I'll try this again.

For the record, the purpose of my links are to address the assertion made by CJK, that black folk have it "better now" than before. The truth is--again & in my 'black' opinion, COVERT racism has simply replaced OVERT racism.

Unfortunately for racist folks, one simply cannot LYNCH us like before; however, fear not, ol' hateful ones--nowadays, there is a 'new' method of lynching black folk. It's called "the po po."

But then, you knew that.

Anyhoo~

Here's what white privilege sounds like...(snip)

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From: Qd
MsgId: 14101

Anyhoo~<>< !!!!!!

CJKap:You are out there. How dare you call me a racist and mentoin lynche\ing?????????????????? <<<<

Qd: Show 'me' & everybody else on this board. . . any post of MINE where I've called you a racist--you can't, so STOP lyin'

And I'll mention LYNCHING any damn time I choose to, exactly WHAT do you purpose to do about it?

I am sooo scarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrred. NOT!!

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CJKap:So you dont think they are better now??????? There is still a ways to go IMO, but look how far we ahave come? There used to be segration, and lynchings. Now ther eis hate crime laws and no white ony drinking fountains and etc.. Yes it is better no the it was. I speak only form my opinion, I never said I speak for any balck peron or all balck person. And yes I am a minority. <<<

Qd: Blah, blah, blah. . .

. . .Obviously, you have not been touched by racism.

And an "alcoholic" doesn't COUNT as a minority, didn't you know that?????.

Besides, what would YOU know about the plight of black folk or anybody else ?-- you were/are too busy getting drunk fucking up your OWN life. I suggest you work on your alcohol & sustance abuse FIRST, before you step to someone in reference to "race."

Excuse me if I don't take the word of a drunkard (as stated on this board) to be any type of creditable source on THIS topic or any other.

CJKap:Blah blah blah, I aint gonna waist my time with you anymore, I will just say I hgave the right to my opinon, and block me if you dont like it

day 21 sober. . .

Qd: If I wanted to block you--I would. It's as simple as THAT. . .

. . .and I don't need your permission to do so, duh!

It seems YOU have your priorities confused, what YOU should concern yourself with (in lieu of race relations), is getting your life in order and laying off the sauce.

YOU are in no position to judge a flea, so I suggest you get OVER yourself.

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