We need to be on the look out for Bill Cosby, I am sure he will set those lower economic people strait down in New Orleans who did not hold up their end of the deal. Had they only purchased Hooked on phonics and not those $500 dollar sneakers and I am not talking about the candy bar. Much like many of those who bought Cosby’s foolishness his lies has been exposed as lies during this crisis as well. Maybe Bill did not know that a great many of the Black folk down in NO lived on less that 8k a year and damn sure do not buy their children the sneakers with the exaggerated prices and waste money as he opined. Maybe he did not know that they lived in the worst part of town geographically or maybe just maybe he too was under the influence of TV and music videos that would have the viewers believe Black folk no longer live in impoverished condition in various parts of this country like New Orleans, Chicago, the Bay area, Detroit etc…

Well, I am sure Bill will donate a few Million and I and every one will be grateful for his donations to help ease the suffering down in New Orleans but will he continue his blame the poor tour. Time will tell.

One thing YOU HAVE TO ADMIT, Faheem because the evidence is clear:

What ever MESSAGES these people have been fed all of these years the people from this particular community were not represented among the ranks of the Lousianna National Guard to stand IN SERVICE to their Community full of Black folks. This is especially the case since clearly it was a well known fact that being below sea level and surrounded by 3 sides of water and a levee system that was designed for a Cat 3 storm THAT THE SERVICES OF THE NATIONAL GUARD might be needed some day.

How do you think was responsible for drilling into their heads the CONSUMER message but not the SERVICE PROVIDER message, Faheem?

Do you figure that somebody kept telling them that "they were poor" and what was once an economic condition seaped into their SPIRIT like water underneath a dam and this EMPOVERISHED CONDITION began to DEFINE THEM?

What do you think Faheem?

Do you figure that PRIOR to REBUILDING THE CITY with material items that it would be a better investment to sure up and rebuild their CULTURE so that they won't return to the same ways even though new material construction surrounds them?

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Do you figure that somebody kept telling them that "they were poor" and what was once an economic condition seaped into their SPIRIT like water underneath a dam and this EMPOVERISHED CONDITION began to DEFINE THEM?

Then by that notion, by that logic, by that "somebody kept telling" psychology then we are armed with the idea to believe that every White person do in fact believe they are superior to Black people. No other thing has been so consistently "drilled" into anybody's head here in America.

Also, along with that, since White people have this history where the full force and strength of the local, state and federal governments and all sectors of private enterprise were set up to grant them exclusive preferential treatment for so long in this society... there must be so many White people walking around simultaneously with an INFERIORITY COMPLEX as well... complete with an ENTITLEMENT SYNDROME.

Are those things you agree with CF?

I mean, that was stuff that was "drilled" into people's heads. Is that something you believe categorically?

Don't stutter... don't get off-the-point... Tell the truth. Does that pychology stuff work all the way around? Or are you making a special case where only Black people are subject to conditioning, spirit influencing messages?

If so? What is the spirit of White America?
What does FANTASTIC SAMS have to say about that? lol

Nmaginate:

What White folks attempt to drill into their own heads and ours is NOT OF OUR CAPACITY TO CONTROL.

Certainly watching television where many of these images are to be had is not helping yet Black kids consume more TV than most others in this country.

I have said all along that the "Hand that rocks the cradle" provides the greatest impression on that young person's mind and how he later interprets the world.

Your notions above are true only if you assume that we as Black people living in America have no control over the UNDERSTANDING and ACCEPTANCE of these images that are before us.

Acting in a near PURPOSELESS MANNER as many of us do today - YOU ARE CORRECT - that these messages from the outside are debilitating.

I have a friend of my father staying with us. He is a doctor and a revernend and an author of several books, in town for the National Baptist Convention. He told that just as people purchsae his material, purchase self help tapes to improve their lives and then listen to these materials to have them permeate their spirit THE SAME IS THE CASE WITH THE VILE MUSIC THAT OUR BLACK YOUNGSTERS LISTEN TO TODAY. There is no debating this truth, he said.

So I ask you Nmaginate - if the "messages" that the White man are the case as you say then wouldn't it be aslo the case that the messages from the Sambo entertainers in our community drive home a certain perspective into our young people's heads?

Why would a people who are going somewhere allow them to have unfettered access to our soldiers who will shape our future as a people?

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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:

What ever MESSAGES these people have been fed all of these years the people from this particular community were not represented among the ranks of the Lousianna National Guard to stand IN SERVICE to their Community full of Black folks.

I am struggling deeply with the relevance of this point.

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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:

This is especially the case since clearly it was a well known fact that being below sea level and surrounded by 3 sides of water and a levee system that was designed for a Cat 3 storm THAT THE SERVICES OF THE NATIONAL GUARD might be needed some day.

Bush's Iraq War severely depleted the National Guard and other resources that could have been available to help the people of New Orleans. Furthermore, Bush gutted FEMA and the budget for the Army Core of Engineers that could have better prepared the city for a tragedy such as what occurred. The deaths and tragedy, to a large degree, are on his hands.

Ok Renaldo, I always suspected you suffered from a short attention span but I am convinced of this now. You asked damn near the same question in the thread I started about taking a deeper look at looting and I answered the question in that threads but due to your short attention span and your inability to remember what you have been told I will repeat what I wrote in hopes that by hearing something over again you will understand it or at least remember your question has been answered.

You question on the lack of service is a bogus question regardless of how you rephrase it be it the way you asked it in the other thread when you asked the question do white folk have a greater responsibility to serve or the way you asked it in this thread. The reality you refuse to admit is that Black men and women representation in the U.S. armed forces by percentage exceeds our population percentage. So we are in the Armed forces, we are serving and dying in Iraq, Afghanistan and have done so in every war this Nation has had to our detriment in many cases mind you. So this is not a question of if there are enough Black men and women in the National Guard, we already serve and is represented in all branches of the armed forces and yes many of those who serve in the National Guard that are Black are now in Iraq, forced to leave their jobs and their families to serve active duty in Iraq.

But back to the real point of this thread, You, Bill Cosby and all that have agreed with him have been proven to be frauds with your talk about Black wasteful spending on things that if they really had would have enabled us to get out of New Orleans. I stated long ago in one of the Bill Cosby threads and on my Blog that very few of us really have the things that you and the Cosbites claim we have and this is true in New Orleans as we witnessed and it is true in most if not all Urban enclaves, THE BIG QUESTION IS WHY DIDN’T YOU AND THE COSBY JOCK RIDERS KNOW THIS…. I AM TALKING TO YOU TOO Ebony!

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Bush's Iraq War severely depleted the National Guard and other resources that could have been available to help the people of New Orleans.

MBM:

Please watch the news - THIS IS THE LARGEST DEPLOYMENT OF THE NATIONAL GUARD IN HISTORY ONTO THE SHORES OF THE GULF TO PROVIDE ASSISTANCE.

How is this POSSIBLE if there is NO ONE LEFT DUE TO THE 'DEPLETION' THAT YOU CHARGE?

If and when the National Guard recruiters open their offices tomorrow will you now suggest that people JOIN because the CLEAR NEED for SERVICE over the next few years outranks your FEAR that they may have to serve overseas?

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You question on the lack of service is a bogus question regardless of how you rephrase it be it the way you asked it in the other thread when you asked the question do white folk have a greater responsibility to serve or the way you asked it in this thread. The reality you refuse to admit is that Black men and women representation in the U.S. armed forces by percentage exceeds our population percentage.

Please note I SAID THE NATIONAL GUARD, primarily providing assistance for the state of LA and MS. I PURPOSELY did not say the 4 branches of the US military (Title 10). I said the NATIONAL GUARD.

Do YOU FAHEEM believe that there were enough people from the communities where the VICTIMS of the storm respresented in the SERVICE force?

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Regular Army

2-34. The Regular Army is a federal force consisting of full-time Soldiers and Army civilians. Both are assigned to the operational and institutional organizations engaged in the day-to-day Army missions. Congress annually determines the number of Soldiers the Army can maintain in the Regular Army.
Army National Guard

2-35. The Army National Guard has a dual mission that includes federal and state roles. In its federal role, the National Guard provides trained units able to mobilize quickly for war, national emergencies, and other missions. In its state role, it prepares for domestic emergencies and other missions as required by state law. National Guard Soldiers serve as the first military responders within states during emergencies. National Guard units are commanded by their state executive (usually the governor) unless they are mobilized for a federal mission. Members of the National Guard exemplify the state militia traditions of citizens answering the call to duty. Their selfless service, like that of Sergeant Christian P. Engeldrum described in the following vignette, reflects America's values and inspires others to the noble calling that serves freedom.

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Nmaginate:

What White folks attempt to drill into their own heads and ours is NOT OF OUR CAPACITY TO CONTROL.

He did not ask what we were able to control CF, he asked you if you thought any psychology pertained to white folks on the basis of superiority was drilled into them in the way you indicate the psychology of hopelessness was drilled into blacks? He put you on the spot to speak out against whites in a fatual manner and that is why you ducked and ran.....you are one sorry azz human being with your fake azz act of kissing and defending white azz that you think you are cleverly disguising........and that is why the blkCOn has an 8% following.........man I would love to meet you and dialogue with you in person....your room to duck questions that are direct and specific would be taken from you.....

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Do YOU FAHEEM believe that there were enough people from the communities where the VICTIMS of the storm respresented in the SERVICE force?

Do You RENALDO think the National Guard recruit as heavily as the other four branches do from the affected communities. I think not! I have no way of knowing what the make up of the National Guard is but if your arguement is that the National Guard did not respond because there were no one from the affected communities on the Guard this only demonstrate what a real piece of shit you are. I am sure no one looked around and asked the guards men and women do any of you live in the affected areas? You are one sick Puppy Renaldo, and have a habit of veering off subject as you have done in this thread. You are making the same lame arguements in every thread no matter the topic.

Yes, CF...

Kevin makes an excellent point, my little Run To Get Off The Point friend...

I didn't ask you about what we can "control" with respect to White People... I asked you if that psychology stuff works across the board. Nothing more, nothing less. See... White people and WHITE CONSERVATIVES are clear in saying or rather promoting the idea that certain ideas Blacks have promote "hopelessness"... That shit, that psycho-babble rationale has a long sordid history. White folks been saying that shit for a long ass time. And you, The Lover Of Everybody Else's Culture ADOPTED That Shit Straight From Them.

During Segregation, during the Civil Rights Era "outsiders", Northerners who came to the South trying to advance the cause of Civil Rights were called "troublemakers" with the locals saying, "Our Negroes Are Happy Here"... and the such... This "hopelessness" bit is no different and is in fact the same exact BS WHITE CONSERVATIVES or rather WHITE RACISTS try to push. So you do love to be in that company... or rather to prompt ADOPT *their* positions. VERBATIM.

Like I've asked before when it comes to questioning Black CONservativism: WHERE IS YOUR POINT OF DEPARTURE?

Obviously, you're hook, line and sinker on that "hopelessness" shit...

ANd so it is particularly sad, though not at all surprising, that you COPPED OUT and refused to answer the simple question I asked you. If conditioning is something human beings are subject to, then it shouldn't be hard for you to tell me what the historical conditioning has drilled into White Folks head.

Have the been drilled to feel inferior because of the gross history of Racial Preferences in their favor that are like centuries long as opposed to the mere few decades long of so-called "preferences" Blacks have received?

No Control Over Those WHITE DRILLS necessary. Just you honest and non-selective comments about human conditioning.

I'll ask you again. Let's see if you can give a direct and earnest answer:
Does that pychology stuff work all the way around? Or are you making a special case where only Black people are subject to conditioning, spirit influencing messages?

Just in case you still don't get it...
"What White folks attempt to drill into their own heads and ours is NOT OF OUR CAPACITY TO CONTROL"... IS NOT AN ANSWER!

That is, unless you want me to just go ahead and put you down for you making Black people a special case where only we are people subject to such conditioning. White people, then, are so special the same type of human psychology you say exist with Black people doesn't for them or, KEVIN is right... You shalt not talk bad about thine lord and savior THE WHITE FOLKS. lol

Damn you are such a POSER!

Somewhat on the topic... FAHEEM...
I'm still waiting for Cosby or whoever to tell us what everybody else's, everybody who are not the "Lower Economic People"... what everybody's End Of The Bargain is or what the "bargain" is period.

Since he said that trying to invoke Civil Rights luminaries... and tried to do some Guilt Trip BS... I just want to know what was "The Bargain"...

If WEB DuBois had something to do with "The Bargain" then we know that Philadelphia Negro may be off-track. He may be particularly self-serving when talking about the Lower Economic People and "their end of the bargain"...

Nmaginate you and I will be waiting forever for Bill and his apologist to articulate how he and those on the other end of the bargain has held up their end of the deal but you are right first the deal must be explained.

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Do You RENALDO think the National Guard recruit as heavily as the other four branches do from the affected communities.

So again - how do you reconsile the points that are on the table.

IF "everyone knews that this was going to happen one day"

THEN these people should also know that the NATIONAL GUARD is a part of the "first responder" force. Why then, if this was going to happen didn't someone from this community or their typical Victim's Agents suggest to them that they join the National Guard in order to be a RESOURCE and a SERVANT to the community that would be CONSUMERS in the time of the expected flood?

If you are in fact in control of your community and you know that you have the triple threat of being under sea level, surrounded by water and protected by a system that can only save you up to a Cat 3 storm WHERE WAS THE COMMUNITY CONSCIOUSNESS that would have them to be A PART OF THEIR OWN SOLUTION rather than overwhelming consumers of SERVICE that people outside of this community was executing.

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If you are in fact in control of your community and you know that you have the triple threat of being under sea level, surrounded by water and protected by a system that can only save you up to a Cat 3 storm WHERE WAS THE COMMUNITY CONSCIOUSNESS that would have them to be A PART OF THEIR OWN SOLUTION rather than overwhelming consumers of SERVICE that people outside of this community was executing.

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WHERE WAS THE COMMUNITY CONSCIOUSNESS that would have them to be A PART OF THEIR OWN SOLUTION rather than overwhelming consumers of SERVICE that people outside of this community was executing.

negro...listen to yourself....you do not want blacks to have equal access to shit in this country do you...from college enrollment to jobs to now even disaster aid...i'm tired of niggas with contrarian views who lack academic ability to stand out so they rely on that larry elder brand of sensationaliam...to buck dance for whites to show them, "I am not like the rest of THEM"...negro you ought to give it a rest...because you are making a f-king spectacle out of yourself...you really are......

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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:

Please watch the news - THIS IS THE LARGEST DEPLOYMENT OF THE NATIONAL GUARD IN HISTORY ONTO THE SHORES OF THE GULF TO PROVIDE ASSISTANCE.

How is this POSSIBLE if there is NO ONE LEFT DUE TO THE 'DEPLETION' THAT YOU CHARGE?

Please argue MY points and not others - to me. As your eyes can readily discern, I did not write or infer the above.

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If and when the National Guard recruiters open their offices tomorrow will you now suggest that people JOIN because the CLEAR NEED for SERVICE over the next few years outranks your FEAR that they may have to serve overseas?

Please argue MY points and not others - to me. As your eyes can readily discern, I did not write or infer the above.

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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:

Do YOU FAHEEM believe that there were enough people from the communities where the VICTIMS of the storm respresented in the SERVICE force?

Who cares? Why is this relevant to anything at all? There are CLEARLY more National Guardsmen from New Orleans serving that area now than there are Iraqi's in the US armed forces serving there. SO WHAT?

Excuse me if I've missed your point, but is there one here?

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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:

So again - how do you reconsile the points that are on the table.

IF "everyone knews that this was going to happen one day"

THEN these people should also know that the NATIONAL GUARD is a part of the "first responder" force.

Why are you so fervently attempting to redirect blame for this tragedy to the victims? Do you know how absolutely pathological that is? Was it the mostly white folks fault who were in the twin towers on 9/11? Can you just please let these people either die in peace or hold on to whatever semblence of humanity they have left without pointing the finger at them?

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negro...listen to yourself....you do not want blacks to have equal access to shit in this country do you...from college enrollment to jobs to now even disaster aid...i'm tired of niggas with contrarian views who lack academic ability to stand out so they rely on that larry elder brand of sensationaliam...to buck dance for whites to show them, "I am not like the rest of THEM"...negro you ought to give it a rest...because you are making a f-king spectacle out of yourself...you really are......

Werd Kevin, this Negro is sick indeed.

Rnaldo, until you present the racial breakdown of the National Guard in Louisiana your arguement holds not weight. It very well may be that Black men and women representation in the National Guard down there is equal to or a tad bit above there population percentage for the state. Get the numbers Negro and holla back...