'...I would say Guiliani would be the Republican pick.'---EbonyRose

Guiliani is 'soiled goods' now.

He has to drag around that Commissioner of Police he appointed who turned to be a thief, big time.

He lived at home with his wife while keeping his mistress (a local gal by the way) IN THE HOUSE WITH THEM.

The Democrats would have a field day in the backlash from the Clinton excapade.

PEACE

Jim Chester

Peace......

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Originally posted by TruthSeeker:

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Originally posted by James Wesley Chester:
There is no star on the republican Horizon strong enough to challenge a Clinton/Obama ticket..---Saracen

I believe that, at this point in the nation's political maturity, the women's vote will thwart Hillary, AND the African vote will defeat Obama.

Neither has a 'fan-base' yet establish to carry themselves over that 'self-denial' thing that aflicts both groups.

PEACE

Jim Chester

Strategically, the Clinton-Obama ticket doesn't make sense. With rare exception (Clinton-Gore '92/'96) VPs are chosen because they add some geographic or ideological strength to the ticket.

What constituency does Obama bring to the ticket that Clinton shouldn't already have locked up in terms of support? If HRC needs Obama to bring black folk, she's already lost. Obama's midwestern Illinois is where HRC is from and Dems have already carried it the last 3 presidential races, so what's been added there? Ideologically, they are similar. Again, what's added to the ticket?

While I think the Clinton administration was a breath of fresh air in comparison to the current one, I think there is still a great deal of ire by the hard-right at the "Clinton" moniker.

True or not, Clinton still carries a liberal label in many circles and needs to be seen as more moderate. Obama, while an excellent orator, needs to develop a stronger Senatorial career. Obviously it would depend who the Republicans put up, and politics being cyclical perhaps "Republican fatigue" would be large enough, but a Clinton-Obama ticket is I think is too easily portrayed as too far left to win in a national electorate that has been "center/right" for some time now.

The democratic ticket will be poised for a response to the Republican play against the Hillary Clinton move into the fray. Yes, Clinton will overwhelmingly carry the liberal/black vote hands down without help from a black VP running mate, however, that is if, and only if, The republicans do not counter her entry into the race with Condoleeza Rice. If Secretary Rice enters the race, then the black vote will be thrown into a tail spin. How should blacks vote in this scenario? Should we elect our first black president??? Should we miss out on the opportunity to deliver such an important impression to our children? Would we mishandle the opportunity to put one of our own in office just because she does not see eye to eye with the rest of our community? What happens when she delivers an energetic, awe inspiring, tear jerking speech at a black church???Will this small gesture be enough to win over a very naive, and underdeveloped blsck constituency usually reserved for the democrats? And finally will black conservatives make laughing stocks out of every black activists who exhort blacks to vote against a black presidential candidate in favor of a white one?

Too many things to guess at...This is why Senator Obama is being developed as a counterattack...He is there to counter the effect of Secretary Rice...His presence makes Senator Clinton more palatable if she is running against a black woman.

Now, make no mistake about the power Senator Obama would bring to the ticket...This race would be woman against woman...Obama is masterful in his ability to electrify an audience...McCain would represent power to capture the swing voter...This is where the might of Obama would be felt most...I truly believe that he would bring an energy to the race that no one could match, which would translate into capturing swing voters away from someone like McCain, and also his presence and ability translates into bringing dormant (deciders) voters to the polls to vote.

Chess moves....



Kai

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Originally posted by James Wesley Chester:
'...I would say Guiliani would be the Republican pick.'---EbonyRose

[i]Guiliani is 'soiled goods' now.

That's right!! I forgot about that, JWC!!

Ahhh well ... another one bites the dust!!

How exactly does Condoleeza Rice capture the Republican nomination when she doesn't even run her own State department? (Cheney runs foreign policy, just ask Bush.)

Beyond that, where is Rice's base of political support within the R party? She's never held elective office. What Repub. has reached the top of a national ticket in this manner previously? If Colin Powell wasn't strong enough to pull it off (which is why I think he ultimately decided not to run in '92) I don't see CR at the top in '08.

...as I said previously, I like Obama; he makes a nice speech, and symbolically he represents a lot. But he needs time and legislative accomplishment.

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Originally posted by MidLifeMan:
I wouldn't be suprised if the Dem try to put a Hispanic candidate for VP out this go round.

Now that I can believe!! And it would be a good move, probably highly effective. And I believe that would happen before the Dems come up with any sort of comprehensive plan about anything!

They certainly won't have one for these '06 elections ... but if they happen to get control of any part of Congress in November, they'd better come up with somehing for both of those if they want to keep it in '08. And I don't have a lot of confidence in that either ... unless they do tackle immigration to secure the Hispanic vote.

Saracen ...

Although I find your questions intriguing, I truly don't see Condi running for president, so it's hard to really wrap my mind around that concept. I've seen nothing to indicate that that would ever be a serious possibility, aside from media hype and speculation. Although I could be wrong ... and it would be quite interesting, I can't see it happening. And I probably wouldn't vote for her, anyway.

He is on the cover of Time magazine over here. Although I'm sure noone in Australia has ever heard of him... And I haven't even read any of his books yet...

He's on the cover of Time here too, FireFly!!

Actually, I think this is some kind of political maneuver. Either a way to try to get the media off his back for a while, or maybe even a way to deflect attention off of Hillary for a minute.

It's really kind of a stupid issue. I mean, who hasn't thought of running for president? And the media with its "dog-with-a-bone" mentality has nothing better to do than hound people over and over and over trying to get the answer they want rather than take the one that's given.

With elections still 2 years away, you'd think they'd want to be more focused on issues more important and that are happening right now, today.

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Originally posted by EbonyRose:

With elections still 2 years away, you'd think they'd want to be more focused on issues more important and that are happening right now, today.

The only thing is that the election for president starts the day after the mid-term elections. People very quickly start to line up financial support - which goes a long way toward establishing leadership in the race. Hillary is a formidable candidate for a lot of reasons - one of which is that she has LOTS of money and fundraising support in her back pocket already.

IMO - Barack's probably trying to run for VP with all of this. He probably doesn't think that he could be elected president, although he's got great numbers and one never knows. I think the book tour etc. is just an effort to get his name out nationally; to give him an excuse to tour the country and get on national media talking about "stuff" before the presidential election cycle gets into full swing.

I will say, though, that Barack's potential grew quite a bit once Mark Warner decided not to run. There is a meaningful anti-Hillary camp out there who will look to get behind anyone BUT her. Warner not running helps Barack - although I personally think that both Al Gore and John Kerry still have lots to offer.

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Originally posted by ricardomath:

Hillary Clinton doesn't even have the guts to debate her opponent in the Senate Democratic primary.

She just debated him last weekend I think. Unfortunately, the nature of politics is such that she had nothing to gain from a debate - so why do it?

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Originally posted by MBM:
... although I personally think that both Al Gore and John Kerry still have lots to offer.

Really? Why do you think so?

Although I've changed my opinion of Al Gore since the time of his election, I'm still not sure I'd be comfortable with him as a president! I do believe he has the dedication and intelligence to do a lot of things domestically that would help to advance us. But, as far as the rest of presidential duties ... do you really think he could handle it?

And John Kerry ... voting for him was probably the hardest vote I've ever had to make. He's a career politician and strikes me as more of a follower than a leader. I can't possibly imagine what he might bring to the table. Is it just that he's a better alternative than Bush?

I do think you've got something there with the Barak for VP thing, though. It would be a good strategy. My family and I were discussing how the country would react to a woman and a Black man heading the government at the same time! I see an increase in heart attack victims on the rise if that were to happen!

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Originally posted by EbonyRose:

But, as far as the rest of presidential duties ... do you really think he could handle it?

If George Bush can be president, then ANYONE can be president.

Seriously, I just think that despite the fact that Gore got (500,000 I think) more votes than Bush, he's a much more thoughtful, serious minded, diplomatically capable person. I think his head and heart are in MUCH better places than Bush - who seems to be most interested in hooking himself and his boys up finacnially. I think Gore would care about the environment in ways that the world needs now. Seriously folks - if the Chinese middle class continues to grow - we're going to have to do something extremely fast or the environment will be in seriously bad shape with millions of more cars and in general with the refuse of consumerism.

I think Gore would bolster national security through both more effective military and diplomatic means. I just think he'd be a better president. Period.

Now - I think if the contest were between Gore and Kerry I'd lean a bit toward JK, but, both would be MILES ahead of Bush.

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I can't possibly imagine what he might bring to the table.

The wisdom of real military service required in troubling times. A sense of social justice and fairness that, although clearly not perfect, is lightyears ahead of most. Again, a much wiser perspective about the environment. A sense about tax policy that is much fairer toward the middle class.

Let's start there.

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My family and I were discussing how the country would react to a woman and a Black man heading the government at the same time!

Yeah - I don't see Hillary and Barack hooking up.

Well, yeah, MBM ... when you put it that way, compared to Bush, nobody could be any worse, I guess!

And, I'm not so sure a Hillary-Obama ticket isn't a possibility! Times are a-changing ... and crazy things happen just when you least expect them!

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Originally posted by ricardomath:

I think that Gore is a much better ex-candidate now than he was a candidate in 2000.

I actually quite agree!

I sure hope this guy doesn't go for the 'rope-a-dope'.

'They' will use this guy up before he gets out of the blocks.

Apparently he has been reading his press clippings...

And believing them.

Too bad.

Should he choose to run in '06, it will be 'Goodbye Obama'.

PEACE

Jim Chester

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Originally posted by James Wesley Chester:
I sure hope this guy doesn't go for the 'rope-a-dope'.

'They' will use this guy up before he gets out of the blocks.

Apparently he has been reading his press clippings...

And believing them.

Too bad.

Should he choose to run in '06, it will be 'Goodbye Obama'.

PEACE

Jim Chester

JWC, I think you mean '08.
Other than that, you express my sentiments exactly. I feel that he has an obligation to finish his term as a senator first, before going for the top office. I think that it would be extremely foolish for him to make that jump, charisma be darned.

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Originally posted by kresge:
JWC, I think you mean '08.
I think that it would be extremely foolish for him to make that jump, charisma be darned.

And I think this would be even more the case should he lose a presidential bid that early in his political career.

He needs to tread very lightly. Washington can be an unforgiving place.

[i]Here we go!}

Commentary: Barack Obama/John Kerry is the Best Presidential Ticket for Democrats in 2008

Date: Thursday, October 26, 2006
By: Judge Greg Mathis, Special to BlackAmericaWeb.com

After months of speculation, U.S. Senator Barack Obama has finally admitted that he is thinking of running for president in 2008. The first term senator from Illinois says he’ll make his decision after the November elections. This announcement didn’t surprise many. Obama’s name and the word "president" have been linked since he wowed the nation at the 2004 Democratic National Convention. In fact, it seemed Obama was the only one saying he wouldn’t run for president.

Now that his tune has changed, the criticisms have begun: His challengers have repeatedly said Obama doesn’t have enough experience working on national policy; he doesn’t have any experience working on foreign policy. To some degree, this is true. But, over the years, many presidents have lacked certain skills. To compensate, they chose a running mate to fill in the gaps. If Obama chooses to run, U.S. Sen. John Kerry, the 2004 Democratic presidential nominee, would make up for any holes in Obama’s experience.

Obama, once a community organizer and civil rights attorney, spent many years fighting for the needs of the poor. In his current role as a senator, he focuses on bringing jobs and economic growths to Illinois. Obama understands the needs of the average American and has worked tirelessly to make sure they have access to the opportunities they need to succeed. Kerry, on the other hand, brings a different set of experiences to the table. Currently in his fourth term as a senator, the Massachusetts Democrat is considered one of the country’s most respected voices on national security and international affairs. Combined, Obama and Kerry represent a political ticket that fights for the rights and needs of all Americans while, at the same time, realizing America must work closely with other nations to advance a global agenda.

Kerry would have won the 2004 election if it hadn’t been stolen from him. Ohio, the state that gave President Bush the electoral votes he needed to win a second term in office, reported many voting irregularities. Election officials in that state reportedly failed to process registration cards Democratic voter drives generated, and mostly Democratic precincts didn’t receive an adequate numbers of voting machines.

Though Kerry is considered a potential Democratic candidate in the 2008 elections, his running for the office a second time doesn’t make sense from a political standpoint. Kerry’s perceived lack of personality was always seen as a weakness. Obama, considered one of the country’s greatest orators, has both the vision and the charisma to make a strong run for the White House. Senator Hilary Clinton’s name has also been mentioned -- numerous times -- as a possible candidate. But her experiences as the first lady during the Bill Clinton years make her more of a liability to the Democratic party than an asset.

Campaigning for the 2008 presidential election hasn’t even gotten started, but the race is already shaping up to be an interesting one. If the Democrats want to make a serious push for the office, they must be strategic about the alliances they form within the party. If they play it smart, America could finally begin to move away from the elitist conservative mentality that has led it astray for the last six years.

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Judge Greg Mathis is national vice president of Rainbow PUSH and a national board member of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference.

Judge Mathis has put his finger on a major consideraton for an Obama candidacy.

I still think Obama would do better running from the experience of Governor of Illinois.

But then there is always the chance he can't win that office.

If he is successful in getting re-elected to the U.S. Senate, he may well see that as his critical position.

Vice-President becomes a hugh deal.

In Pennsylvania, Lynn Swann has a European-Ameican business man as a candidate for Lt. Gov. who is supportive of him (Swann).

Clearly, the VP candidate must be a European-American.

Who must be decided.

Kerry is unlikely to take it.

Gore won't take it.

Edwards is a threat to his presidency.

Colin Powell might be a good choice, if his wife can tolerate the task.

Now there is a thought.

Colin for President with Obama for V.P.

That I really like.

But Mama Powell ani't gonna dance.

Maybe she just can't.

PEACE

Jim Chester

As many problems as I have with him, I would love to see Powell run for President and become President. Obama needs to stay at out of it all together. I need to see him do another stint as senator, or as JWC says, a term as governor of Illinois. Then we can talk.

But just a thought if we are doing some crazy dreaming. What about an Obama and Clinton ticket, an Obama and Bill Clinton ticket? I think that Bill could actually be talked into doing the VP thing if it were arranged as kind of a co-presidency, basically what we have now with Cheney and Dubya, or what the Republicans tried to do when Bush 41 wanted/tried to get ex-president Gerald Ford as a running mate.

That would really shake things up.

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